Problem Setting Breaker On Ahs Eurostar

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  1. 749006

    749006 Well-Known Member

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    It has been some time since I ran the AHS Eurostar and I cannot get the Breaker to set.

    Having switched on the main power, selected Pantographs and Electric System the Breaker does not set to switch off the lights in the left control panel.
    Screenshot_ECML London - Peterborough_51.88027--0.19281_10-36-10.jpg

    I can still move the train but I have to hold the power handle on Full - not sure what I'm doing wrong.

    Spikee1975 - can you help?

    Peter
     
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    Good lord that cab looks terrible.

    People paid for this?
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    If you say so.

    The Switches, Dials, Handles etc all work and it looks like what it is supposed to.
    With nothing else available if you want a Eurostar it will do until/when SK Trains make one.

    I need to adjust the cab camera as you are sat too far away from the windscreen
     
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    Reef Well-Known Member

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    I do.
     
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    just go into options/settings i forget the name and change your field of view
     
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    As far as I'm aware the big update broke the 373 and with the developers being AWOL there was no patch released. I am not sure if any TS updates after the large one fixed the issues like it did for the AP PEPs, but I doubt it.

    And yes, I am also in the camp of thinking the train and the entire DLC catalogue of AHS before they were known as that to be awful and very nearly unplayable.
     
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    Doomotron Imho, the AHS trains are good from the simulation aspect, because almost all functions are simulated. Also I think the sound is impressive. They are ProRange and only awkward to drive if you don't know how to drive them ;)

    Don't know what's terrible about the cab.
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    You have three driving modes, shunt (need to keep the handle pushed), manual (normally set the throttle), and Cruise Control (don't move the throttle).

    Indeed you're positioned too far back in the cab (nothing to do with FOV). As for the Driving Mode, check you're using correct voltage settings for the Auto mode to work, else you're in shunting mode where you have to hold the throttle.

    I'll upload a better cab cam and clean window fix later.

    When starting from Lille, TVM is not instantly available. When turning it on it will show three red squares, so turn it off again else you won't be able to close the MCB. (Panto: HS) You can engage TVM directly after the neutral section.

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    P.S. Don't forget to copy the JustTrains CommonLibrary to your 72.3 installation, it's needed for Ashford-Lille.

    CabCam + clean windows fix attached.
     

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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Spikee1975
    Thanks for the replies - I don't use the TVM as the train does not see the DTG version.
    I never bought the Ashford - Lille route and just got the unit as the stand alone pack
    I only run the Eurostar on conventional routes - something like this NoL set 3312/11 at Newark NG
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    But the Manual does not help in telling me how to drive with Cruise Control or Manual.
    The switch under the 300 in your picture is the Power On/Off so I switched that on. Which then starts the TVM


    Classic Lines 25Kv
    1. Turn on the cab lighting if necessary by pressing
    2. Turn the master switch to on by pressing [Z] or mouse click the button on the control panel
    3. Move the Pantograph selection dial to N position by pressing and holding [P] or use mouse to drag dial.
    4. Move the power selection dial to BR~ (1st position), F~ or GV~ position
    5. Turn on the circuit breaker [Shift + O] or mouse click button on control panel
    6. Arm the circuit breaker by pressing and holding [O] for 2 seconds. The lights on the icon display should extinguish except for a few. **
    7. Move the reverser to forward position by pressing [W]
    8. Press [E] to move speed control setting to neutral position
    9. Deactivate KVB by pressing [] or mouse click the button on control panel
    10. Deactivate VACMA by pressing [Shift + K] or clicking the button on the control panel
    11. Release brakes and increase throttle to move off.

    I would just like to drive in Manual mode but the Arm Circuit Breaker switch does not switch the lights on the icon display off.
    I have had the thing running before with they was it should be but I cannot remember how I did it

    Like you I'm running the set on my TSC v72.3
     
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    I'll check using it on the HS1
     
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    Won't work
    How do you set the Cruise Control - there is no AFB or equivlent
     
  11. Spikee1975

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    Yes it works. Started from St. Pancras, Panto HS. You need to hold the ARM switch for two seconds at least.

    Press E once to go into manual (normal) throttle mode . Press E again to go into Cruise Control mode (the "VI" indicator will light up). Speed set according to the manual using F/R keys.

    Just twist the voltage knob - one position will work! :)

    Edit:
    But it behaves a bit "flaky" on other routes (sometimes you must select thirdrail)
     
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    Thanks :)
     
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    Just a thought.

    I've placed the 373 on London-Faversham. No driver is appearing in the loco.

    Doing that on Ashford-Lille, the driver appears.

    This means the loco has dependencies that are only preloaded on the AHS route. So if you are using it you must make sure the ELAP is also active in your scenario, and probably the JT CommonLibrary too (not sure if it's only needed for vegetation).

    The Cruise Control display is also messed up on other routes, which can only mean there's assets missing. On AHS, both the ELAP and USLAP, Academy and JT CommonLibrary are preloaded - so tick these too for your scenarios using the 373.

    And for the voltage, be aware that TS routes do not give the kind of information the (realistically scripted) 373 needs, so you might have to use an "unrealistic" power mode on the 373 on other routes.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Still having problems setting the Breaker

    I'm loading the train up on the Kings Cross - Peterborough route which is where they ran for GNER
    Irrespective of the position of the Voltage select I cannot get the Breaker to Select
    I'm using the mouse to turn the wheel - same as E - but the Breaker does not stay selected and I can hold the power handle at Full and the train does speed up but when I let go of the A key its almost like returning the handle to 0 position.
    It shows 100% but stops taking power.

    This is irritating as I have run the set on a number of routes in the past and at least one setting worked.

    Peter
     
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    I'll try that too. Might even consider checking an older TS core build (TS 2021). Will keep you updated :)

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    So I've created a Freeroam, spawned a GNER 14-car Eurostar at Pboro. (Plus tick Kuju\RailSimulator to be active in the scenario)

    You have to select BR (DC) for some reason, but it works. Then just press "F" to set the speed, and hold "E" and the train will accelerate.

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    After a while, you can switch to BR (AC) mode and the MCB will stay closed.
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    This is in v71.5a.

    Check v72.3b (TSC), same scenario - now I can directly select the correct voltage (BR AC), MCB works.
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks I will give it another try.

    You have to Hold Down the E button?
    Is that different to holding down the A button as I have to now?

    EDIT
    Just did a quick drive and I managed to get the breaker set but the Cruise Control was scrambled and having started to move the Vigilance Beeped and dumped the brake
    I think I need to switch off the KVB
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    You need to activate Kuju\RailSimulator in the scenario editor for the CC display and driver to appear
    Hold E until you're in CC mode (1 second). Press E shortly - manual mode, again - CC mode. Shift-E to go back (or apply brakes will also cancel CC mode)
    You must disable KVB and VACMA as stated in the manual (switches up)
     
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    In previous runs the CC appeared normal but I had not ticked the Kuju\RailSimulator box as it was a Quick Drive

    I did tick the box for the Kuju\RailSimulator in this Quick Drive and the CC was scrambled
    As I held the F key down I could hear the clicking from the Selector increasing the Max Speed but the CC Display was still scrambled.

    Time for some more tests
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    More info

    Doing a QD so I pick a consist NOL 14 Cars
    And the same problem as before where the Breaker does not set

    So I flipped the complete set and now most things work as expected
    The Lead Power Car is a normal one but the rear power car is a nd (no driver) version
    Moving that to the front and most things work as expected - apart from the Audio for the AWS.

    I had modified the default sounds \RailVehicles\Audio\AHS-Class373\Cabin to use UK AWS Clear and Warning and changed the CabSound.proxyxml slightly - But the ND Power Car ignores these sounds

    I also copied the normal and nd bin files to an excel sheet and I have to work my way thru to see what is different
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    I presume you don't have the AHS Eurostar?
     
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    Ok I think I have now worked out what I was doing wrong and found I needed to set it to BR AC and then isolate the Vacma.
    AWS makes the normal Ping and modern Horn sounds
    No idea what cause the distortion on some of the cruise control pics - not a problem

    Managed a run down the ECML in to Kings Cross - shame the platform is not long enough for 2+14 :)
     
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    Thats also prototypical! IIRC they were only permitted in one particular platform at KX (6 maybe?) and locked up half of the station throat while doing so.
     

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