Pzb For The Expert

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  1. jeanmarc094

    jeanmarc094 Well-Known Member

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    Found this...is it accurate?? i understand the o mode. now i want to memorize the 2 other. pic from 5yr ago. upload_2020-9-28_13-18-1.png
     

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    breblimator Well-Known Member

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    Looks ok, though I find the ones in the manuals of the routes simpler and easy to reference during a service (normally I do a quick check for 500Hz magnets on M/U modes when there is a stop signal coming up).
     
  4. computer.wizdj3

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    What about those from America (USA) that's never been overseas that doesn't know about pzb or sifa
     
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    breblimator Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to use it, but it recommends it - much more fun :)
     
  6. delucadomenico2009

    delucadomenico2009 Active Member

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    Yes it is correct. Need help with something?
     
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    delucadomenico2009 Active Member

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    It is not really easy to understand. Needs a lot of practice. However if you need help with it i'm here
     
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    breblimator Well-Known Member

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    V-Max is incorrect, but that's probably a nuance :)
     
  9. delucadomenico2009

    delucadomenico2009 Active Member

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    The Vmax is correct. Because it is the running max speed that normally is good tu asume. In theory the Vmax is 5kmh highter (125 kmh for O mode) but is better to run at 5 kmh below because at after 125 the pzb restriction starts to work and you need to immediatly brake. So for safety is better have 5kmh of area to not activate the restriction. Expetially on downhill
     
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    breblimator Well-Known Member

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    So, it is incorrect :) Every documentation in every language is 5 kph higher for UMO :)
    121 kph is fine for M train, etc.
    About good practice, You are right like always :)
     
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    Thanks. However this is just the theory. In practice is very different. Exepetially with the 500 magnet
     
  12. Class395

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    Actuallly it is mandatory to drive 5km/h below the PZB speed the reason being if the PZB speed is exceeded by 0,1km/h brakes will be applied.
     
  13. delucadomenico2009

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    Exactly. The max permitted speed is 125 (exemple) but the running speed is 120. Sometimes could happen the the train gives just 1 or 2 kmh expetially for freight in downhil.
     
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    In-game it is 165/125/105 - I am pretty sure.

    In-game indicated limits are multiples of 10 and I've never seen anything between 160 and 200, so - hard to check in TSW, but it's just a curiosity.

    I believe, my Colleagues from the industry, in real life it can be, as you write! :)

    UPDATE

    Are you suggesting there are errors in the documentation from DTG? No way!
     
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    You have not seen anything between 160 and 200 because PZB only operates in speeds up to 165km/h, speeds higher than that require the train and the track to be fitted with the LZB signalling system. Similar to how in the US maximum speed without incab signalling is 80mph
     
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    breblimator Well-Known Member

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    Yes, this is how I agreed with you - 160 is still max without LZB :)
    PS Therefore, my deliberations on theoretical 165 are pointless, etc.
     
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    In game and real life the limit are 165/125/105 but this is the maximum permitted, at 165,1/125,1/105,1 the pzb
    The maximum speed that you will see on signal is 16 (160). After 160 the train will work only under the lzb so the limit can be see in the cab. Howerver for pzb the speed limit in game and real life is 165/125/105, but after 165,1/125,1/105,1 the pzb restriction start to work and you have 2 seconds to brake or the emergency brake will be activated, for this reason is used to drive 5kmh below at 160/125/100
     
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    Sure I can use ur help on it so I know if it's like the aws system that's on the class 377 where when u pass a yellow and white aws marker that sits on the tracks before u get to the signal u get a bell(ding sound on green clear signal) and an alert (on yellow approach and red danger signal)
     
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    I think it's a full application brake as you can recover from it without stopping. Same for missing Sifa. It releases the brake once speed is suitable. Not quite as devastating as missing a PZB magnet.
     
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    The only similarity between the AWS and PZB is the fact they work based on magnets placed on the track.

    PZB unlike AWS, will not generate any alarm when you need to acknowledge a signal or a speed board. As a rule of thumb, anything that tells you to slow down you will need to acknowledge. But for that, you need to know both of the german signalling systems (old and new). Instead of writing everything down here for the next couple of hours watch this stream from the devs. Matt does a really good job on explaining the signalling, SIFA, PZB and LZB in a way that is not overcomplicated for new players and not too obvious for experienced drivers.

    Matts guide:


    And here is a bit more of a complete guide:


    Grab some popcorn as both of these are well worth a watch
     
  21. delucadomenico2009

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    Not completly. The AWS magnet is placed 200/300m before the signal that you need to respect. The 1000 magnet (start of pzb zone) is located at the same point of the signal. For this reason you need to predict what the signal (and the pzb) will do. If you see a distant signal with yellow (main red) you neee to brake until the restriction speed to prepare to stop the train, and you need to brake as soon as you see the signal. It seems complicated but in real life we use an "easy" method to be sure to not go over the pzb restriction.
     
  22. delucadomenico2009

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    Not completely. You can recover from the Sifa, you need just to acknowledge it again and reset the power during the run. But if you miss a pzb or you go over the pzb restriction, the train will apply the emergency brake and you need to wait until the train stop. And than reset it to depart again. For this reason is used to run 5kmh below. Because if you exced the pzb it will completely stop the train that means 3/4 minutes of delay or more for passengers train. And a great problem for freight and heavy freight to get again a running speed
     
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    I know but the emergency brakes don't happen if you go above the vmax speeds. The G shows up on the HUD and then it will do some braking to put you back under the vmax. Everything else...yeah it will emergency brake you.
     

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