Pzb Mode On Köln-koblenz And Hamburg-hannover

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  1. triznya.andras

    triznya.andras Well-Known Member

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    Hello,

    after playing and Binging and reading some old threads here about Pzb choice... I would love your input on two scenarios.

    1) I noticed that Hamburg-Hannover allows 130 with freight and the Dispolok 189 defaults to Obere. Assuming the wagons can handle it, would drivers use Mode O given the high route speed (and to reduce conflict) as well as Lzb (meaning your expected brake distance is not 1km but 2-5)? Part of the motivation to do so is to avoid overslowing to 70 or even 55 when passing a 80 (or 60 way ahead).

    2) I guess the game is based on train mode, but general setup (on Köln-Koblenz) is to use Mittlere for road freight and Untere for road switching (well, I mean the 101 and the 294, but using the American-ish terms correlates well with the activity). Container trains tend to have low brake effort (weight), it works on Hamburg-Hannover with Lzb but on Köln-Koblenz it's quite easy to SPAD (using full brakes at 87% is basically required). If you were drive this for real, would you use Mode U for these trains? (I guess physics are off but let's assume they aren't, we're transporting bricks or whatev.)
     
  2. Spikee1975

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    HH is pretty much broken in terms of safety systems and scenarios needing you to run at 160 km/h with a freight train. LZB is broken in cab 2 of the included 101 iirc.

    Generally speaking, you have intermodal trains in mode M (120 km/h) and heavier trains (fuel, gravel, etc) in mode U (100 km/h). O is for passenger trains with the fitting brake hundredths (brake weight / train weight * 100)

    In reality these are often operated slower than PZB allows (the dispatcher has the final word and can lower speeds for your train).

    As a rule of thumb, you'd drive an U train at 80 or 90 km/h (depending on the track - 90 might aready be too fast to brake in time on gradients and get below 55 km/h), and M trains at 100 km/h. Forget about Career Scores here ;)

    I would advise getting HHDeluxe from rail-sim.de, which improved scenery and fixed a lot of bugs (the wrong LZB 200-160-200-160 sections which are straight 200 IRL )
     
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  3. triznya.andras

    triznya.andras Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the details and suggestion :) Replying without multiple quotes:
    • Sure, that was weird. I guess it has an arcade element, on top of German, electric, fast, agile, yay :)
      Kinda like the Hagen-Siegen speed limits. And then ICE Cold.
    • True, it reads backwards. The Dispolok 189 is correct. Ctrl+Tab, Shift+G suggests that bidirectional locos are an illusion (hack).
    • I like to do both :) So now that I've earned my 2x1000 I was wondering how would it be real.
      Like on Hagen-Siegen I did run 30-40 below speed limit when I did the free roams, learning from a Flirt cab ride.
    • Thanks, might check it out, I have like 15 DLC for HH. You know my default, but...
    • I wonder if that's for arcade / keep awake reason. The 189 scenarios route the player with markers named Force Player to opposite track every now and then, and with the speed cap being 140 (133/137) I suspect it's there to avoid the joys of doing nothing for 50 minutes :D That said I actually consider to have ICE2 run itself end to end while I watch from the sofa or something.
     
  4. Spikee1975

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    It took DTG a long time to have an acceptable PZB/LZB implementation. HH is very old, and Kuju only had AWS to offer.
     
  5. Kim Olesen

    Kim Olesen Well-Known Member

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    Drive H Hh with a loce with proper PZB implementation (like the Virtual Railroads BR101), and that part of it is not too bad. Same goes for Köln Koblenz.
     
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