Do you get bored with german routes. They all feel same too me almost same locos and route style. I mean like them but I get bored after few hrs on them. Just wanted know if along this department. Also im sorry this offends anyone.
Partly yes. Dont know how to explain it but I try. I would really like to have route where you can drive up and down with Start and End point. Not like You have a start point or an End point of a route but it ends somewhere in-between. Also a bit more variety of Locos more modern EMUs mixed with old Locos that are also more difficult to drive. And maybe a bit more challenging routes from Austria or something this way
I think dtg should give third-party studios the rule that they can only release a dlc (mainly routes) that contains at least one new loco/emu/dmu (the problem is that dtg itself has already done it with the mannheim-kaiserslautern route ) imo, routes without at least one new vehicle are the same as a scam
The BR 425 is so over used, twin track commuter routes have reach saturation point, freight services and the limited high speed train services we do get are over before they’ve begun. They are mostly the same red wall with little to no variety. I don’t know if DTG just can’t get other licenses or just aren’t trying but even when they get the opportunity to inject some colourful variations into a route they don’t seem to bother that much. thankfully we have TSG who are guaranteed to bring a high quality route with some variation out every 12 months or so which breaks up the mundane identikit routes DTG feed us.
Sadly, yes. I have barely touched the "new" Dresden to Leipzig route and there are so many identikit double track electrified 60km inter urban routes, all with DB red we really don't need any more. The two forthcoming routes fit in the same category and I am just not interested, except in a deep sale. We need something that breaks the mould, like Niddertalbahn or Mittenwald did. Something diesel like the Marschbahn, Obereruhrtalbahn or the Eifel Bahn. Part of me hopes the next TSG route will be something really iconic like the HSB to Brocken or even Wutach.
I'd say it overall depends on the customer and the products. People that don't care about german content at all will get tired pretty easily, german players who's DLC library is majorly german content are looking forward to new things. It also depends what DTG is doing, and also how TSW's bug history and the sometimes sloppy designing is affecting how the DLC looks and feels. Dresden-Leipzig has been quite a desaster in some parts; missing OHLE hasn't been added, some parts from Dresden-Riesa look partially worse, roads are almost like nothing, no new trains, etc. Then there's eras. Some people like modern, some like old school. Some like to see their own city represented, others would take any new part of the country. Some like commuter, others high-speed. And the list goes on... I personally am not much liking the latest few DLCs, I'd rather look forward to a Siemens Velaro for an ICE (whether it's the 407 or 408 doesn't much matter to me), and Berlin or Cologne-Frankfurt would be really great to have aswell. I'd make suggestions, but I am not sure if they're being read through or if there's a chance of them becoming a virtual reality, as lately brand new german rolling stock in TSW hasn't been much...
Yes, German routes are chock-full of red trains and double-track lines. Just what I like. DB and its trains are simply iconic. Absolutely essential and indispensable.
I play American and British routes, mainly, although I do like scenic routes. I admittedly haven't played German routes much in the past couple of years. Should probably give one of the older ones a go again.
Sometimes. I currently really enjoy I can drive the same ice service on Dresden - Leipzig, Frankfurt - Fulda and Frankfurt S-Bahn. Kind of the ultimate route hopping as a continuous services. Unfortunately not all of them are available on every route.
It's the same with the British ones. The same 2-4 track sections. The same electric trains. Freight transport is terribly boring and only Class 66. I only give a thumbs up to the Riviera, but only because it's diesel. There's simply no interesting commuter train route like the Frankfurt S-Bahn route. There are also no shunting operations with shunting locomotives. The safety systems are simple and don't add any challenge. In this boring swamp, only Just Trains offers a breath of fresh air.
Were they advertising the routes as coming with a new vehicle but didn't? If so that's a scam. If they didn't advertise the route as having a new vehicle, then how is it a scam? You know what you're getting!
I do think we could do with some different locos and multiple units. It's interesting watching videos from German railway stations that not everything is red. Maybe licencing is a problem. I am looking forward to the 140 and 420 as they offer something different. Some of the routes do feel a bit samey, flat with modern looking stations. I do enjoy the German content though as there are some decent fast runs and some good historic content. Linke Rheinstrecke is definitely a favourite.
I do sometimes wonder who at DTG is choosing and signing off on these very similar routes? Are the customers on the receiving end of one or two individuals particular whims? Have they really passed all of DTG's self proclaimed LAMPOIL checks? They must know that many of us by now are craving a bit more variety, both in terms of route type and era.
I would say no personally, I have quite a lot of them, I appreciate the chance to use my trains on more than 1 route, the variety of routes provides enough difference that I don’t feel like I’m driving in the same place.
I don't have any problem with the Germans route in general, in fact, I'm usually drive on it more than the other country. If I have to get some disappointment on the Germans route is not under the type of route DTG's builds (commuter, high speed or main track between 2 main city) but they can't provide a mix of this. The last Dresden-Leipzig is quite similar at what I'd like most, it have a speed section, some track around Dresden where drive locals trains and some yard for the freight, but the performance is worse that the old DRA so..... This time I'll prefer the Riviera Line: loving drive near the sea!
I think most German routes generally feel the same, although there are some unique ones that are among my favourite routes in the game (Mittenwaldbahn, Niddertalbahn). Linke Rheinstrecke and Maintalbahn are also fairly unique, they aren't right at the top but I would still consider them good and enjoy them Ideally I would like to see German content have the same level of variety as British content (such as steam era routes, an underground route, more vintage and unelectrified routes, etc) I feel like German content perhaps has the most potential out of the countries currently in the game, but it kind of feels like they are staying in their comfort zone at the moment and don't want to do anything unique Hopefully we will see more German third parties in the future so we aren't relying solely on TSG to do interesting and varied routes/trains
If there's two routes I'd pay to see extended and remastered, it's Maintalbahn and Linke Rheinstrecke. Certainly in the case if the former, from what I can see on maps the scenery starts to get quite interesting just beyond where it currently finishes.
Yes, in this period i prefer UK and USA routes, for Germany is mainly the lack of new rolling stock that made me less interested on it, Frankenbahn have a couple of new trains but i will buy at least whit 50% off
I enjoy the German routes. I’d love to see the Berlin Ringbahn in TSW but I appreciate that the platform won’t cope given that it struggles with Birmingham-Crewe. Some of the UK routes just feel dull (ECML, Cornwall) and I rarely play those
I think, and this is partly the reason I haven't bought new routes for now two years, is the lack of variety on the routes it self. This does not concern german routes only. Where are the branches, on wich route can I really fullfill the "world" of TSW? Where can I start at one station, drive to a big mainstation and change into a train to a totally different direction, all in one session? I remember a scenario on this old GWR route, where you travel with the DMU to the mainstation and then drive the HST. I always thought, that this gameplay was the promise of TSW. What I dream of would be a route with a nice mainstation in the middel and maybe two lines which go to their real terminal.
A few hours. Most of the recent UK and US content has me bored after a few minutes. German routes could do with more choice of rolling stock. Everything does look the same.
I do prefer to drive German routes, but yes they becoming boring. I still prefer the German routes from TSW1 and TSW2 and I also Linke Rheinstrecke and Frankfurt S-bahn (yes even with the reduced timetable). Just bought Bremen - Oldenbourg in a good sale, but lately I'm also playing more UK routes to have some variaton. Today also bought Birmingham cross city in the sale, just because there is not a lot of German content left I want to play.
I can’t get enough German routes. I play this sim for realism and immersion (I love operating machines, be them an aircraft, a fork lift, a boat, racing cars, whatever), and I find the German railway protection system (PZB/LZB/GPA) by far the most structured and interesting to drive, so although I have a lot of British and US DLC, over 90% of my time in TSW is spent on German routes. I don’t care too much about the scenery, since none of it looks realistic to me (it’s 2025, this game could be made to look like real life), and since I’m driving to challenge myself to do it right, so what matters to me is that the route has good, realistic signals, not what it looks like. So, for me, each German route is a new opportunity to learn different signaling systems (Hp/Hl/Ks/Sk/Sv signals anyone? sh1.org is your friend there), different functionalities of the PZB/LZB systems, and, perhaps most importantly, the only one with the availability of the only study-level loco we have, the Expert BR101. So, given my taste for realism, I feel the German routes are the best.
I’ve actually quite enjoyed the new Dresden - Leipzig , quite like driving the talent 2 the whole length of line . I like the fact it’s a long route as compared to so many short ones!
Not really- not more than any other country. In fact, i probably enjoy them more because I have zero IRL experience with Germany (maybe someday i hope). I don't notice all the little things that probably drive the locals nuts lol.
Agreed it feels like a proper route between two large cities (which it is or course) rather than a stub of a route. It feels more fulfilling than ECML. I do feel Leipzig seems a bit quiet though.
Unfortunately, yes - 90% of the German routes look almost the same (I really hope that with the release of the Japanese, Czech and Portuguese routes game will become much more diverse)
Me too! Something about that stretch just seems perfect for the Pendolino! I don’t really drive it much on Euston-MK, but I love it on this stretch for some reason.
I agree with the OP and I’ve stopped buying the more modern ones, which is nearly all of them tbh. The rolling stock being repetitive wouldn’t be so bad if on every route they didn’t have the same traffic red livery. The scenery is also very samey too. I think if DTG or the 3rd party devs see a chance to bring in new liveries they should jump at it, because what keeps UK and US routes fresh is the sheer variety. You can add varied US scenery to that as well, depending which side of the country you are. I seriously think it’s high time that if they can’t do something fresh for German routes then to move onto another nations railways such as France or wherever. Just my opinion based on my buying practices.
Yes agreed . I read some where that Leipzig is possibly not that busy in real life , but I don’t know how true that is .
I don't mind them at all. The scenery is generally ok and all the trains feel unique enough to offer a decent amount of replay value. In saying that though, I haven't bought a single addon since a brand new Harlem line (yeah, I really did say "enough is enough") so I can't really comment on newer releases....but I do fully intend picking up the £100+ version of TSW6 when it hits the obligatory 80% off (because I don't own a single item in the bundle) and will doubtless get to see if I still find them ok
I enjoy using the safety systems which still catch me out. Kassel is my most boring route, it drives itself! 218 is my most wanted dlc. They can get samey. They need livening up a bit, which the diaramas do abit. I like freight runs with 185 and Vectron.
Not sure I agree with this. Look at Birmingham to Crewe, it’s a really well detailed route which they couldn’t have added any brand new rolling stock to without it being a minor contribution to the timetable, or out of place for the year it’s set. If all of the main locos, in this case the 350 and the 390 are already in the game, then it seems counterintuitive to hold back a route for the sake of adding a loco that will make little difference to the gameplay
The key to routes which don’t offer new rolling stock is not to charge as much as those that do. Though DTG will probably apply the reverse logic and charge more for those that do!
the point here is: the price charged e.g mannheim-kaiserslautern costs full price for recycled rolling-stock
And that’s exactly the point. They shouldn’t charge the standard route price for a route without any new rolling stock, but they also shouldn’t prevent third parties making a route on the basis that it doesn’t include any new trains
I think they must be getting a bit worried how the Stuttgart route will sell, as I have had several separate Facebook items pop up this morning touting it.
