How original is this HST Class 43 because there is some Class 43 with different cabs and engines my understanding is this new HST would sound like the original HST engine from the BR days. Also. Why some HST sets have different cabs whats up with that ?
Well the VP185 is a Paxman not MTU engine so technically if it gets aliased to the existing MTU sounds those will not be correct.
so the new HST is using the new MTU engine very disappointed as i thought they use Paxman engines on the midland mainline and i thought the MTU Saga was a new thing they are trying to update the HST for longer life
I didn't say that, I said "if" they are using them... Perhaps londonmidland might be in a position to confirm or deny.
The original engines were Paxman Valenta’s, on the upcoming EMT 43’s they will be Paxman VP185’s which are the Valenta’s direct upgrades. As for cabs, numerous rebuilds have taken place throughout the years, each region/ToC having a different idea on what they wanted to do, so now you get this myriad of cabs. Mostly though you can relate a specific cab layout to the engine type. You’d honestly be better off watching some docs on YT or reading up online, the history of the HST is wild & long, so there’s no short simple answer to your question.
I’m not sure where you heard that from? It’s been public knowledge that the MML will feature with the VP185 EMT HST. Not quite as loud as the original Valenta HSTs, but still loud and screams nonetheless.
Hoping for a good timetable with this,not this is realistic and you only ever see two ai trains on the route and empty stations and yards....here's hoping
The Skyhook team have accurately simulated the 158 and HST playable timetable for this route, equating to: 72 playable BR Class 158 services 59 playable HST services And, if you like variety, there’s a lot to be found with content layering onto the route: 2 playable Class 45 railtour services (1 each way, requires Northern Trans-Pennine) 2 playable Class 66 railtour services (1 each way, requires Southeastern High Speed and Northern Trans-Pennine) 5 playable Railhead Treatment Train services (requires Railhead Treatment Train) 5 playable ROG Class 37 services (requires Rail Operations Group BR Class 37/7, and mixes with Northern Trans-Pennine, Southeastern High Speed, and London Commuter) There is one freight service, featuring Southeastern High Speed’s Class 66
Waste of time for you, I always found railtour to add more variety and break the monotony of passenger/freight services and it’s a good way of using rolling stock from different route/era
Usually you get one each way run per timetable so it's hardly a stretch to add them, and normally the "repeats" with different engines are just subs for the loco only anyway the rest remains the same
I'm still contemplating buying steam railtour pack for WCL. I know a LMS loco on Load 5 in deepest Cornwall is a bit of a farce but reckon it could be a blast. Probably in the next sale, whenever that might be.
I think barely any freight on a route that has lots of freight is an opportunity missed. Pointless having these forums if the Devs + DTG don't listen to what works best for a route when we try to advise them..
I agree, unfortunately when they've done questionnaires UK freight comes much lower than passenger so they seem to (mistakenly in my view) believe that there's no point making a proper freight timetable. Personally I think that any route which has a yard or even sidings which are actually made should have a decent timetable for freight Examples would include : Newhaven Aggregates on ECW and BML Ardingly Aggregates on BML Dollands Moor runs through Ashford on SEHS Hoo Junction and Grain & Cliffe port yards on SEHS Acton Yard on GWE I'm sure there are loads more. Much of the traffic would be AI only give they often go off route quite quickly (unsurprising given the routes we have focus on passenger operations) but still
I think considering the timetable for passengers isn’t sounding anything along the lines of BML, it’s more of a missed opportunity with an already (naturally?) lower passenger traffic. Can’t really say the focus was on an extensive passenger timetable if so…
I just wish you could turn them on and off. I don’t really want to see a rail tour every time I drive, especially when they don’t exactly look realistic.
Yea even with a Edinburg/Glasgow that has almost double the amount of services than MML and still feels empty and can only imagine how empty it will feel
They didn't have time.... as JD* said, they wanted to commit to getting passenger services working perfectly. - April Roadmap, JD replies on Page 2.
I wonder what they are referring to with this, it’s obviously not the first route with passenger services, wouldn’t think it was too complicated at this point to program in stops and endings…
It's the first time skyhook has made passenger content. They only made freight content in the past for tsw so this is all new to them
I get it’s their first passenger route and stuff, but both Rivet and TSG had their first and their didn’t seem to be any particular focus to the same degree as indicated above on setting up passenger services
The only thing I would say about freight, is that all we are missing is another Class 66 “Ying ying” fest, not like DTG or Skyhook adding a Class 56, 60 or 70 to the party.
Yeah I get that, but this was something brought up when BML released way back when woth lack of freight services
Because they are a very interesting, different service from normal operations. I am very much looking forward to taking the Peak for a spin on the route and enjoy the other railtour services too.
They are referring to the fact Skyhook haven't done a passenger route yet. So for them, this is brand new untrodden paths. I'm assuming it's multitudes of things, like getting the stations designed and functional, working and reworking assets to suit. This isn't just their first passenger route, its their first UK one too, so I assume that also complicates things. End of the day, they add freight with just a 66 and people complain, they don't add freight people complain. They add a new freight loco at the expence of the HST or 158 and people complain, they add in a new freight loco with the hst and 158 and investors complain because the project is delayed.. Stuck in a least worst case scenario
understandable, but I don’t see negative with freight from just class 66, when the alternative is non. It would just be a desire for more freight locos in future rather than a call to not do the 43 or 158
The 45s were synonymous with the Midland Mainline for all of their working life so having two Railtours featuring 45s is a nice tribute to them.
Just a shame they can't be enjoyed as a passenger (if they use the MK2's) because the sit down bug is STILL an issue
Ah I hadn't realised that was a thing as I never go as a passenger, though must be frustrating for those like you who do. Also I think it is with the mk2s if I remember rightly.
