Railpool Br 185?

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  1. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    So, in the G6 preview stream, you could spot this:
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    What does everyone make of it? Just an experiment or possibly coming with one of the next German routes? All speculations are welcome here :D
     
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  2. TS_trainspotter

    TS_trainspotter Active Member

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    Thanks for that. Very strange Matt said nothing about that. Both 185.2 and 185.5 can be seen on the loco selection screen, so this could be a standalone loco (if it was a repaint it would be shown under its original loco name I believe)
     
  3. CowBoyWolf

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    Well as TX logistik uses Railpool without TX logos in Sweden it could be a TX loco but i'll let the folks specatulate
     
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  4. FD1003

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    Interesting, I really don't know what to think of it though, probabily they have an idea of the next german route (I still really have to get used to the roadmap's much smaller "time frame") which will entail a new BR185 variant for freight, kind of like the MRCE BR182.

    On one hand it probabily means there is no other german freight electric on the horizon, and that future route is coming out with a pax train as "the new one" or probabily a 100% freight focussed route which will use that and a brand new freight loco? For example a Finnentrop-Hagen coming with a Siemens Vectron and the RP BR185, and using the BR143+DoStos for passenger use.

    I rally don't think it's coming as an update for either BRD or Tharandter, the MRCE BR182 was listed on the trains for HHL, unlike this BR185.

    Apparently 185 672 is part of the "BR185.2" group so I think it would be a way to bring back the "new DRA stuff" to the older BR185.2 variant, and at that point just reskin it into DB's color scheme.
     
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  5. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Unless it‘s a last minute addition like the Br 363 was to DRA, I also don‘t think it‘s coming with Dresden-Chemnitz. That‘s why I think it‘s curious to see it on stream. If it‘s something for the route after Dresden-Chemnitz, then it‘s awfully early to have the loco already in a dev build. Most curious.
     
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  6. FD1003

    FD1003 Well-Known Member

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    I guess it might be, in that case I'm sure it will be added to tomorrow's roadmap on the Chemnitz route.

    Best case scenario it comes out with a bit of an overhaul of the chemical plant freight services in BRD, which actually use an electric loco + shunter, but I don't want to get my hopes too high for nothing.
     
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  7. dcnine#5410

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    This is kinda reminding me of that incident where “Mastery Livery Rewards” was put on the roadmap, and people got excited about it, until it was revealed it was just a typo. Specifically, the fact that DTG said something along the lines of “hmm, we may actually pursue this” in the thread. Just a wild (and unlikely) guess, but hey, speculation is speculation.
     
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  8. Ben132465798

    Ben132465798 Well-Known Member

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    Either that or they're waaaaay more advanced with building the next route than they want us to believe
     
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  9. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Could it be a dlc add on locomotive?Is this roadname used on any in game german route?
     
  10. Cramnor

    Cramnor Well-Known Member

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    I would say we will see on today's roadmap. I could imagine it being like the 363 on DRA, not a new train per se but we get a different livery. With the shunting services of the G6, it seems very likely there will be freight. But from the trains included it doesn't really look like it, and making it only a layer might not be the best, so this seems like a nice way. after being lazy with the Dostos (again!) it would certainly be appreciated.
     
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  11. Ben132465798

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    I'm gonna be honest. I wouldn't buy it, I already have 2x185.5 (RRO and DRA)
    and 2x185.2 (RSN and MSB)
    Even though I do like that we'll probably get something new, we need to get away from the Traxxes, we already have more than enough of them.
    152,189,193,151,159
    That are a few locos which we don't have, all available in MRCE/DB so licensing wouldn't be a big problem.
    And this wasn't really thinking, there are much more.
     
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  12. tibomatthijs

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    'Livery Mastery' will be a thing ig now, since they thought it was a great possibility to add more liveries to the game!
     
  13. Tahar_bej

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    It isn’t just a livery. Someone in discord pointed out that this railpool variant has less pantographs then the MRCE. The MRCE one has 4 pantographs (2 on each end) but it seems the railpool one has only 2 pantographs (1 on each end).
     
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    BR 185.2 indeed, that one does have only 2 pantos, 185.5 has 4. So that livery will be for the 185.2
     
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  15. FD1003

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    I think most definitely not, I'm not going to do the same mistake I did for the BR187. So I believe it's just a BR185.2 (the exact same as the one used in MSB and RSN), with probabily the physics/functionality and sound upgrade of the BRD BR185.5

    It wouldn't make any sense to release this as a loco add-on, especially since it would be almost the same loco you get with BRD and/or a reskinned version of the old DB/Railion BR185.2.

    As I said it's probabily a way to let us use a "BRD-level" locomotive on all the routes where the BR185.5 is missing, and the BR185.2 is used instead.

    185 672 (the very loco in the screenshot) departing

    As you can hear it seems to have the same exact motors (sounds) of the current TSW DB/Railion 185.2

    The only way I can see a TRAXX being sold as a Loco DLC would be if it was a the BR145 (or 146.0) variant with the older traction motors, sounds and cab, but even that I think it would be better to be included in a route... it's honestly not original enough to make sense as a loco DLC. People already complain that the BR182, 187 and 185 are too similar... Altough a "Vintage TRAXX" DLC with the 145 and 146.0 could be fun, and bring some variation to possibily all (or most) of the in-game freight and REs/RBs
     
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  16. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    This definetely makes me hopeful that DTG have obtained a RailPool license, as besides the 185, RailPool also owns the BR 186, 187, 193, 151 and 155 (as far as I'm aware). I'm really hoping this loco will be part of Dresden - Chemnitz, but we'll have to see tonight's roadmap for that. If it is part of that route, we might even see a route that with it's gradients and slower and often changing speed limits comes close to RSN's greatness.

    I have also shared this topic on the PC forums now, linking back to this thread :).
     
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  17. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that. Don‘t want to be that guy again, but a general discussion forum would be very useful for this sort of thing :D
     
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  18. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I've been wanting one for ages aswell, there is a clear need and use for it
     
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    The reason to why MRCE BR185.5 has 4 pantographs is simple because it needs to run Germany to Scandinavia 1.8m Strip German/Austria to Hungary 2m pantograph strip and Germany/Austria to Northern France 25kv 50hz & Switzerland 15kv16.7hz 1.45mpantographs . Stand at Aschaffenburg Hbf when Paris to Moscow sleeper via Berlin is running you're going to notice the RRO Riesa-Dresden BR185.5 German/Austrian 1.95m pantograph towards Berlin/Frankfurt Am Oder. The French and Swiss Pantographs 1.45m are lowered because if you run that pantographs under German and Austrian 15kv 16.7hz wires you are going to lose power.
     
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  20. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Would it be possible. to look up the loco number and see if there's a real loco version of it?

    185 622 3
    0r
    185 672 3
    I'm not sure if the middle number is 622 or 672.
     
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    I feel like it's 672 :)
     
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    So just where in germany would this roadname be mainly used?Matt was playing this on a PC could this be a test loco for some future route that's being considered and this loco just being used to show how the loco's livery would look if chosen.
     
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    IRL these locomotives would be seen all over Germany. Railpool has MANY locomotives.
     
  25. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    I do feel like if the Railpool BR 185 isn't confirmed in some way soon, they would have not-confirmed it by now.
     
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    Maybe they heard our begging for a german freight route, and the next german route is something like “Freiburg-Basel with ICE-1, Br185.2 Railpool and Sdggmrss Taschenwagen”; that would be the greatest thing I have ever heard in this game :D
     
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    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    From what we have seen in the past it isn't strange to see matt have things we haven't yet heard about on his dev computer while demoing something else.
     
  28. solicitr

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    Correct. The Railpool is a 182.2, just like the DB/Railion locos; the 185.5 is rigged for international use and so has multiple current support and alternate pantos.
     
  29. grdaniel48

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    I would like DTG gets Railpool license too!.
    So their BR 185, BR 187 locomotives - and other ones - be available in the game next year!
    Being included on new routes, as has been happening with MRCE.
    Yes you can do it by Livery Designer, but not all of us have the time, but also the highly detailed paint they make it is really tough to do it.
     
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  30. SHINO BAZ

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    Dove tail games have already reliveried other locos and put them in a new route so if they do that with a db br 185 it won't be anything new or different.
     
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    What interests me is that DTG hasn't given any statements about this yet. I'd expect at least a 'don't expect anything for now' on the forums if it wasn't planned to come out relatively soon.

    Just seems weird that they haven't responded in any way, unless they said something on the roadmap stream, which I missed.
     
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    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Didn't they say that they wouldn't be announcing new future dlc releases until they where closer to releases.
     
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    Yeah, but full-on loco being in a test version of the game would indicate a close proximity to release. And even if this loco was part of a yet to be announced release, I'd at least expect DTG to say that the loco will not be coming any time soon or something, it's not like we don't know about it's existence.
     
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    Still no info about this right? Haven't they answered any questions about it on stream?
     
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    No comment thus far.
     
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    The equivalent of MRCE: private freight leaser, found everywhere.
     
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    Especially since it has its own livery designator as well as tile in the selection screen: 185.2 RP as distinct from the older 185.2 DB and 185.2 [RL].
     
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    With the 143 in Dresden the same happens the 2 143 appear
     
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    In my case there is only one 143, but you can switch "liveries" (actually the same livery but locos from two different routes), while this one has a different selection box from both the 185.2 and the 185.5
     
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    Remember that the selection boxes may not be permanent. The final version, should it be released, may be combined with the other 185s.
     
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    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    The riddle has been solved then :)
     
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    So even when matt says nothing he can still say alot because his brief showing of the railpool loco was a way to see who's paying attention to his streams.
     
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    Maybe I am being a bit slow here but I don't really get it.

    So, DBB-R7 08 is Tharandter Rampe. The roadmap states that this comes with the BR 612 and the BR 143.

    If the 185.2 RP were part of the upcoming expansion pack, then, also according to the roadmap, it would be considered to be a "livery for SKA". But 185's run on SKA only if you also own MSB if I'm not mistaken. So it would be a DLC for a DLC for a DLC.

    Still a bit confused.
     
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    The Railpool BR 185.6 is coming as part of Tharandter Rampe, not in an expansion pack.

    Point-six, not point-two. Different model.
     
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  46. TS_trainspotter

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    Riddle solved! Now I just hope it is not only a repaint but a (maybe just light) rework of the loco, with bug fixes and minor improvements at least
     

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