Railtour Routes

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  1. trainsforlife4449

    trainsforlife4449 New Member

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    I am hoping to get more DLCs from developer Caledonia Works in the future, and I am planning on running them on routes reflecting their railway. I have highlighted the ones I am hoping to get soon in red. List is as follows:

    -West Coast Main Line, London Euston to Carlisle (LNWR engines)
    -Midland Main Line, London Saint Pancras to Sheffield (MR engines)
    -West Coast Main Line, Glasgow Main to Carlisle (CR engines)
    -Furness Line, Barrow-in-Furness to Lancaster (FR engines)
    -Highland Main Line, Inverness to Perth (HR engines)
    -East Coast Main Line, London King's Cross to York (GNR engines)
    -East Coast Main Line, York to Berwick-upon-Tweed (NER engines)
    -Great Eastern Main Line, London Liverpool Street to Norwich (GER engines)
    -East Coast Main Line, Edinburgh Waverley to Berwick-upon-Tweed (NBR engines)
    -Great Western Main Line, London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads (GWR engines)
    -South West Main Line, London Waterloo to Weymouth (LSWR engines)
    -Brighton Main Line, London Bridge to Brighton (LB&SCR engines)
    -Chatham Main Line, London Victoria to Ramsgate (SE&CR engines)

    Anyone know any routes that make up the ones I listed above? How many major stations on each route, and what are their names? I know that not all of these are made up of just one route. I already have the WCML London to Birmingham and ECML London to Peterborough routes. Hope this helps.
     
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    Cyclone Well-Known Member

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    I'm just going to throw this out there: since they can't go on the Steam Workshop for obvious resons, consider posting any scenarios you might make on Train Sim Community so that there is a place where enthusiasts can grab and enjoy them. I don't know if ATS is the right audience for them either, so this is your best bet. Maybe CR will happily feature scenarios that are good, as well! :D
     
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    I'm asking for routes, not scenarios.
     
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    I am talking about if you make scenarios yourself on those routes. :D
     
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    I am looking for routes that incorporate parts (if not, the entirety) of the ones listed.
     
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    kilt46 Well-Known Member

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    I included a dynamic map of available routes and where to get them. Follow the links on the map.
     
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    Restating a previous point, does anyone know what the major stations are on each? Thanks.
     
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    IronBladder Well-Known Member

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    Your route names give the major stations at each end.

    The best thing you can do is get a map of the routes and see where the major population centres are. They will have major stations.

    A few major stations in our time (e.g. Milton Keynes, WCML) didn't exist in pre grouping steam days. Any station with 'Parkway' in its name won't have existed either.

    I'm not sure why you need to know the number and name of intermediate stations. How does this help you in deciding which routes and locos to get?
     
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    Something I might suggest is look up timetables for the areas you are interested in. There is a site called Timetable World. For a small(ish) fee per booklet, you can download a copy of the timetables within and you will be able to see the service patterns. You can use this to recreate somewhat authentic offerings and share them with us via sites like Train Sim Community.

    Of course, many routes are modern-day. So yes, the stations will differ. See Manchester-Leeds for instance; the first two stations are gone now from Manchester Victoria. Try Carinthia's Cubbyhole for some 60s options, and Golden Age Developments also has some with active use of the Caledonia Works loco line.
     
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    I am also looking for major intermediate stations (Swindon, Woking, Leicester, Stevenage, etc.). Hope this helps.
     
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    I am wanting to run railtours that take place in the 21st century, and I will be stopping at all the major stations that the railway had as of 1919. I am also wondering which of the Lancashire and Yorkshire's three major routes would be closest to being considered the L&YR's "main line" (i.e. which one received the most traffic back in the day).
     
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    We have no routes back to 1919, FYI. The closest we have is Laramie 1869 which comes with one of the old-timey locos.
     
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    You must have misunderstood. The routes are modern-day, but the stops the engines make will only be at stations that existed before grouping that are still around and operating today. Also, isn't there a Caledonian Railway route from a third-party developer or TSC user?
     
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    Yes, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted older routes for some reason. My brain takes time to catch up sometimes. :D

    But yeah, check old timetables to find such services. Another option is to look at the railtours actually taking place and mimick those. http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/tours.html
     
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    I don't know how to tell which stations are major, which ones are semi-major, and which ones are minor. Is there a way I can tell them apart?
     
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    I'm trying to help as much as I can. Not being from the UK, all I can do is point to sources for information, and on Wikipedia pages for each station you can see what some old route patterns would have been. For instance, if you go to the page for Carlisle, you get a lot of National Rail listings at the bottom:

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    But right under that? Historical railways.

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    I can't say for sure, but if you can find one of those historical ones on your listing, it may be able to lead you through some closed stations and perhaps you can find the exact information on each station's page about what kind of station it was, and if it was a major stop. My best guess? If it's a current service pattern, very often it was likely not a major stop. But more stations had their own yards a long time ago, and given they would be storing stock in these yards, they were probably much more important in the 60s and before. I am just not old enough, nor do I remember whatever past life I might have lived in the 1800s, to be able to tell you about it. Research is something you'd have to do, and looking at maps for the old lines that already exist on ttheir own is really a good start. Maybe the folks behind these maps might be a possible resource, as well. :)
     
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    trainsforlife4449 Your request requires an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of railways, as they are dynamic and have changed considerably over the years. Internet research - especially using Wikipedia should give you what you want. Here is the entry for the West Coast Main Line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_Main_Line This exists as five routes in TSC, four of which are published by DTG.

    I suggest you start with just one or two route that interest you.

    For example, the WCML from London to Carlisle is made up in TSC by:

    WCML South (DTG)
    WCML Trent Valley (DTG)
    WCML Missing Link (ATS). There may also be one from ATS for Birmingham to Stafford, You'd need to check.
    WCML Over Shap (DTG)

    To get you started, here is a map of the current passenger network which shows principle stations and most lines. Some lesser lines are ommitted.

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    Again. I included a map of the UK with embedded links to each Route available. Each map states the stations (and other marked locations). It is all in those maps. Everything available for TSC and where to get them. I don’t understand what more you want.
     
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    Doesn't have the Looe branch nor the Gunnislake branch no wonder they are lightly used.
     
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    Are these purchased DLC or Workshop. I personally do not subscribe to workshop stuff. All commercially available US, UK and Europe is included in this web site.
     
  22. IronBladder

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    kilt46 the link you provided has errors in it. For example, the Welsh Marches route is incorrectly associated with the West Highland Extension, which it incorrectly named as the West Highland West!

    It also shows the real world Worcester to Hereford route (which doesn't exist in TSC) as Birmingham Bristol, which isn't a payware route.

    And these are just the first two routes I clicked on!
     
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