Hello, I am Anshul Pandey, a train enthusiast and I am a fan of TS and TSW Series for a very, very long time. I come from India(Southeast Asia). I would love if addition of any Indian route take place in Train Sim World 3 take place. As for suggestions, I would like to recommend the Surat-Mumbai Central Route. Now as for why, let's see:- Route Features:- Now Surat and Mumbai both are pretty close to each other with a distance of approx. 300 km distance. But there are many places which are close to each other then you might be thinking why only this route. Well this is because all major trains of India like Shatabdi, Tejas, and others operate within this route. It includes the fastest train of India, i.e. Vande Bharat Express. All the above trains originate from Ahmedabad, but a route between Ahmedabad and Mumbai won't be practical because of it's length.(Could be added as another DLC) Why should we consider India?? Now, I accept that India does not have the fastest train network and all but the reason is because of it's sheer beauty and a lot of possible scenarios. In future the route can be connected to Ahmedabad with a new DLC. India's first bullet train corridor is also going to start from Ahmedabad to Mumbai. So addition of that can also occur because the developers would already have the world setup and only would need to add bullet bridges and stations. Will we earn from it? I believe that this DLC could be the best selling DLC of all time for TSW. This is because many Indians are regular players of games from Dovetail. Even if only Indian community buys the DLC, even then the expansion would be a hit. Proof? Well there are two individual studios Fastline Games and Ak Trains which develop Indian add-ons for Train Simulator Classic and they are earning a living out of it. Also the MSTS Indian community is also passionate and still makes quite impressive add-ons for it. Ok then play them, Why are you requesting us?? The Mods are created by, no doubt, passionate people and they create awesome add-ons but they are not good because of the limitations of Train Simulator and MSTS. Routes for TSW can only be created by Dovetail so only you guys can make it. TS and MSTS lack interactions with outside would like free roam and realism because of their age. TSW is new and realistic so I believe a much better work could be done by Dovetail. So I plead you guys to implement this route. Please, Please,
this needs to be posted in the sugustion theard https://forums.dovetailgames.com/forums/suggestions.75/
As mentioned this is in the wrong group, but I have to say an Indian route would certainly sell well and be popular. But this suggestion is far to long, you need to be thinking in sub 100km region.
Actually a good idea. But don't expect it to happen, there is only a few developers for TSW. The reason we have so much content for MSTS (now using OpenRails) and TrainSimulator is they released it with an editor. Anybody could instantly start making routes, and many 3rd party developers, commercial and freeware, have long superseded DTG in terms of detail and quality. The lack of an editor for TSW does mean nothing else that this game will always be very limited in terms of content. I only play it casually, with main focus on TSC and my huge collection and scenarios and randomly generated QuickDrives that are full of action and not that "dead" world of TSW, and players celebrating "awesome" service runs when they run into a caution signal. Oh my. Timetables won't help much, in fact they're only making the game less flexible in terms of placing static stock. So, the vast majority of suggestions won't ever see the light of day. But thanks for reminding me to check the Indian Train Simulator scene. Edit: Just checked FLG, and was turned off by the shady software you need to install to download indian routes, even requiring you to bypass virus checkers. No thanks, I'm a "Jim Browning" subscriber. I've seen too much scams.
Hi Anshul; a fellow countryman here ! First of all, just... for a second... try picturing someone from the DTG's licensing team waiting at 'Rail Bhawan' to meet an official who'll give them suitable licenses to replicate IR ( virtually ) & permission to photograph & record the equipment. Assuming that you've been to our government offices, you know what's wrong here... ( Forget the route, I'd love to know how that conversation went in the first place ) Regardless, my best wishes to DTG in this venture. I agree that we have quite a colorful rolling stock. But, here's the problem - . People here are fuming when DTG releases German Dostos for the 10th time. Imagine the outcry when they'll discover that most trains on IR ( Except MUs ) are either ICF or LHB based. ( Although they can mitigate this problem cleverly, but that's the topic for a different discussion ). There are technical limitations with TSW at the moment. It can barely populate British stations suitably, let alone Indian stations. Then there are 22-24 coaches' long BG trains. Add in some foliage and the frame rate goes to 0. And we can just dream about the chatter of 'चाय-चाय' & Mrs. Sarla Chaudhary's iconic 'यात्रीगण, कृपया ध्यान दें...'. Nothing is Indian about Indian Railways without them. Hope you agree on this That being said, DTG can actually do a few things. If they decide to do a non-licensed version, they can avoid Pt. No. 1 above & contact the zonal PROs. They can do a 1980s MG / NG route to limit the traffic & passengers. OR maybe do a pre-independence 'State-Railway' thing, that'll be well received... PS - Not with you on that one ! If Mumbai is coming to TSW then CSMT deserves more attention than MMCT. Maybe build the route to Nasik. Ghat sections at Igatpuri would be the best thing ever
I would expect a Japanese (or possibly Chinese) route a more realistic proposition than an Indian route. So far as we know, Union Workshop are still working on something... As regards India, well the problems are several fold - distances between main cities are quite long and it would need to be a route with global appeal not just for the Indian market which is probably not that large (there is or was a fairly large MSTS following but there was always the issue of how many of those were genuine copies and not bootlegs). You will either need good local representation to get access for research plus the prospect of two weeks of Delhi Belly if you go yourself and intolerant of spicy food (have heard real Indian food makes a Madras from an English curry house seem like a steak and kidney pie). That's before you get into any licencing issues or security concerns with the rail operators. If we did see an Indian route, suspect it more likely to be a tourist railway such as the DHR or Matheran Hill than a main line.
You know the answer They'll get what they need if they know the right buttons to press... Oh, come on ! Is that the biggest concern ?! XD Matheran is nothing less than a mainline nowadays. Yes the trains are still NG, but everything else is same... ( 4 months ago )
I heard that UnionWorkshop stopped Chinese products forever, because no profit. Many UK/US people only play UK/US route. Just like someone who insists on only playing TSW and not trying TSC.
Change the record, many of us own both and either prefer TSW over TSC or play both. You prefer TSC we get it.
Not to mention most of us PC users also own TSC but find the limited scenarios with impossible scoring targets a real bottleneck. In fact you can add Run 8, MSTS/Open Rails, Derail Valley, if you like the MP SimRail and numerous others to the list. However TSW for all its faults still exerts a particular appeal.
An Indian route would be awesome. What's your source if this information, claining that 'most of us PC users' find this? I don't like scenarios anyways and pretty much ignore any scoring targets, so I don't see either system as a bottleneck.
Replace most of us with “I”, then. However while unable to quote the source I have from time to time come across others expressing that sentiment. Imagine if you will, a route like Weardale or Stainmore Summit with an all day timetable and the ability to freely walk round the environment and trains.
Well, for some the scoring is irrelevant. I'm playing w/o scoring and HUD. I can check the clock, signals and speed signs without the game checking on me and rating my actions. And why do people forget the fantastic Quick Drive option which lets you run any service at the time you want to, generating random AI traffic and static stock that is different each time you run it - also layering in stock, the more you have, the more variety your QD will give. And the massive amount of really outstanding workshop scenarios. I recommend playing Coasty's Busy Monday on Woodhead line series - simulating a full driver's day. It is so full of action and immediately immerses you into the old days. Very cinematic - everywhere you look there is stuff happening - playing these put a big smile on my face. These scenarios are way beyond what the stock scenarios deliver. And then there's freeroam - use the editor, populate yards, and play this endlessly creating your own tasks. To be honest, a timetable may be realistic, but can get boring, if it is the same A-B B-A runs only at different times. You quickly know what to expect. For the record, I'm playing TSC, TSW3, Zusi3, Run8 and OpenRails. Considering Timetables, Zusi 3 is so far ahead of TSW. Each update that expands the network will also update the timetables (for free!) and they are enormously complex, but still you can edit your own timetable. Zusi 3 may lack in terms of graphics, but it's technically brilliant and reliable, because almost all devs involved have or had a job at the railway and know how stuff works.
Interesting how a new user posting about Indian trains can cause the thread to derail into a debate about TSW vs TSC...
..that is because I don't see it as Versus. For me, all games complement each other. Each one has features others are missing. Unfortunately, I've lost interest in TSW due to the large amount of things that are just not right and the limitation to the unflexible timetable, technically playing the same day over and over again. And the DLC is just too expensive for what it delivers imho. And after all, there's not much to say as it's pretty clear Indian Railways won't come to TSW. Other than have yet another speculation thread to raise expectations and increase the disappointment then But you're right - the thread is more like a discussion in a pub than a business meeting focussing on discussing a single topic. Not unhappy about that. If the OP wishes to refocus on the topic, I'll happily shut up.
However it is worth considering some of these requests for more off beat locations, how many payware routes have been created previously for that territory whether in TSC or an earlier sim such as MSTS. Little chance of seeing these in TSW, where DTG struggle to break out of their big three cartel. We haven’t even had an Austrian route or one from the Low Countries such as Belgium or Holland.
Exactly - and it all comes down to the missing editor. DTG have to run a business and must focus on DLC appealing to the broad masses (whatever they think will sell). People who'd love to do these exotic routes just cannot make them for TSW. Love your Sulitjelma route Vern
- Not with you on that one ! If Mumbai is coming to TSW then CSMT deserves more attention than MMCT. Maybe build the route to Nasik. Ghat sections at Igatpuri would be the best thing ever [/QUOTE] I chose that route only because it has the best trains of India under a pretty small route. Though it is still too big. At this point all this is just wishful thinking I guess
Also I already know that an custom editor can't be added for TSW because of certain legal limitations. I accept that this all is wishful thinking but I don't think that giving a suggestion is wrong. Also, Surat to MMCT suggestion was from my side. If it is too big of a route, DTG can look for some other route from Indian Railways( Though they won't)
TSC was preserved by DTG only because adding a editor to TSW was legally impossible. TSC serves as a platform for user created content and TSW for realism.
Well it is not shady. My antivirus never complained about it. Also that program is made so the creator can stop piracy of his content
As I said above, any route will be good. About the food, I assure you that we have some great food options. Regarding the legal issues, I also believe it could possibly happen. And true, the cities in India are too far away. As for global demand, I believe that Indian Railways has look and feel of many other asian countries. It should be good for asian audience(biggest continent in the world). Also, Indian Audience is huge. Just for that reason I said that studios like Fast Line Games and Aktrains earn a living from Indian routes for TSC. I believe the only concern are the legal issues and track length.
I am poor at English. I mean TSC probably won't have a new China route foever. Development costs of TSC is lower than TSW. But China DLC is not profitable. The market don't buy it. There are more than 20 China DLC not sold on Steam. I dare say none of you would want to play because the bad quality only Chinese can barely play. Chinese preferences is different from Europe, a bit like US freight that many people feel boring. India DLC is most likely even worse. I have watched India route on YT, probably Trainz, do you play Trainz? TSW is impossible to have what you want. Why not look elsewhere?
The longer passenger trains need to be WAG-12 on this route since you will require two WAP-7s for that train. Regarding the WAP-7 there are two versions for it normal length pantograph and the higher pantograph version which is for dual purpose services passenger end running on dedicated Freight Corridor assuming this route is connected to one.
I'm pretty sure when we last heard about Union Workshop (from DTG), they were doing a Chinese route... So, i think you've pulled some info from thin air there m8
WAG-12 ( Wide - Broad Gauge, Alternating Current, Goods Hauling - 12,000HP ) is a freight locomotive so it won't be realistic on passenger trains. WAP-7s are capable of hauling a 24 Coach LHB rake at 160 km/h ( 99mph ). Although Train No. 22221/22222 CRs Rajdhani Express uses two WAP-7s in Push-Pull configuration ( First train in India to be Push-Pull on a regular basis ). The reason being - The section between Kasara & Igatpuri Stations is the steepest mainline grade in India ( 1 in 37 ). So having Push-Pull saves time required to attach & remove the banker. Also, the higher panto. WAP-7 is not used for freight. It's used near Rewari where DFC has higher catenary to allow double stack operations. WDFC is aligned with the route suggested by OP. However, its southern terminus is at Jawaharlal Nehru Port, not MMCT. So if DTG includes WDFC, we'll have to end our journey in the middle of nowhere This is MMCT Here is the Port connected to WDFC Map of Greater Mumbai Metropolitan Region. Mumbai on the left, Navi ( New ) Mumbai on the right. Red arrow is MMCT, blue one is JNPT.
Thank you for the answer and I find it very helpful about the different endpoints in the Mumbai area. One Passenger Mumbai Central Station and the other Port area
Actually, there's more to it... Long-distance passenger trains from - North India terminates at Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus ( CSMT ) East & North-East India terminates at Lokmanya Tilak Terminus ( LTT ) - which is on a spur from the tracks that leads to CSMT South India terminates / passes through Panvel Terminus ( though some trains carry on to CSMT ) Western India terminates at Mumbai Central ( MMCT ) The ( rather infamous ) Suburban services ( which we call local trains - those super-crowded ones ) 2 out of the 5 lines terminate at CSMT - Central / Harbour Line 1 line terminates at Churchgate ( CCG ) - Western Line 1 line terminates at Panvel - Trans-Harbour A little-known / under construction - Port Line terminates at a passenger station called Uran near JNPT. Finally, Goods trains end up at Dockyards in an area called Sewri in Mumbai ( another spur on the tracks to CSMT ) & JNPT in Navi Mumbai. So that's that
Thank you for telling me about this looks like I see this being the Indian version of Nahverkehr Dresden in the German version of the game you will see this route being sold as Nahverkehr Netz Mumbai
India is a pretty interesting and beautiful place with some cool trains. The game is called Train Sim World. Therefore, we need routes and locomotives from all over the world. Why doesn't DTG expand and work with 3rd party developers in other countries, including India, as well as Russia, France, and other European nations? Asia, and Central and South America. Australia, New Zealand, and Africa would be amazing, too. TS Classic does have routes in France, Switzerland, Austria, China, Japan, and Africa, so let's get those countries added in TSW3.
"World" in TSW refers to the world around the trains, i.e. stations and yards, being able to walk around and explore, etc. "World" doesn't refer to the world and it's many countries. And this is relevant, how?
Satpura NG doesn't exist anymore. It was gauge converted and nothing remains out of the BNR days ( maybe except a few plinthed locos. here & there ) Before the pandemic, India had 6 NG 'Heritage' routes. Everything else was either converted into BG or was about to be. Out of the remaining 6, Gwalior State Railway hasn't resumed operations since then. Spoiler: Reason All remaining 5 goes to hill stations & have a potential for holiday-makers. A similar incentive doesn't exist for Gwalior State Railway as it was a 'King's personal Railway' later repurposed for connecting remote communities along it's length. Now 'Kangra Valley Railway' holds that last spot, in terms of patronage. So chances are a little slim !
Sadly most of the NG routes have gone that way. I first read about the Satpura Lines in an old Continental Modeller and was fascinated, then later the various trip reports on IRCFA. Guess it's one where I would, 1. Love a time machine to travel back and, 2. Stock up on chocolate bars and potato crisps to see my fragile stomach through the trip. (Unless there's a fish and chip shop at Nainpur Jn!! ). But in all seriousness it's experiences like this that DTG should be broadening into, not just another 30 minute UK electric commuter route like Glossop.
True. If a line doesn't head up a hill, here's little to no financial incentive to keep it NG. And then there are people & MLAs who pushed for gauge conversion to avail better connectivity. We're not going to give you that privilege. No way !
The reason why I brought that up is that it's a commuter Railways network including the port for Mumbai
