Is it just me or has the latest update 'frosted up' the side windows in the lead coach of the CL170? Screenshot taken yesterday. Screenshot taken after the June 3rd update. Note the rear 2 coaches of the CL170 seem to be OK (Unit running on EDN-GLA rather than Fife Circle. That wouldn't make a difference would it?).
The snow effect on windows for TSW has always been odd. On Units, the first carriage always has its windows Iced up but it's other carriages have no effect
Is that right? Crikey I can't say I've ever noticed it before. (Thinking about it I rarely 'play' in snowy conditions). I'll just change the weather for my scenario. Mind you this explanation doesn't answer why the side windows were clear yesterday but 'frozen' today? I've already had to change the scenario once to avoid this......
I am fairly sure the HST snow bug has been around for a while since TSW4, but since GWE doesn't ever get snow any more, you rarely see it. As for the 170 - could it be a mod? Have you been able to recreate it consistently? (Big ask, since bug-finding is a time-consuming process). Does it occur on the 170's home route? I know Rivet created both Fife Circle Line and Scotrail eXpress, but if the 170 doesn't have any timetable layers on Scotrail eXpress, and you are using free roam instead, that may also affect it.
Only 2 at the moment. 1) Godmode and 2) My own mod that only adds extra paths and formations to the route. I removed both mods and then ran the CL170 on Fife Circle in a timetabled scenario. The windows were fine. (Mind you, no snow on the platforms???). I then ran the unit on EDN-GLA and my service started with clear windows but, by the time I got to Haymarket, they had frosted over the same as before. (Front windscreen and first coach only). As my train set off for Edinburgh Park I left it and wandered around Haymarket looking for the tram stop. I then returned to my train, as it went under the tram line, and noticed that the windows were now clear??? (See below). Note the platforms on EDN-GLA were nice and snowy (unlike Inverkeithing and Markinch on Fife Circle?) and the windows are clear. I'll now put Godmode back in and see what happens. Mind you that won't explain how my windows changed form frozen to clear somewhere in-between Haymarket and Edinburgh Park???
This will depend on when the screenshot was taken. The effect draws in when the camera is in proximity to the windows, then culled a certain distance from the camera. If you move the camera from one end of the train to the other, the effect will be redrawn. If you leave the camera in one place, the effect will cumulatively build up on the window. This is a basic performance saving technique, which explain why you don't see the effect all the way down the train if you are looking from the front. These screenshots could have been taken 30 seconds apart to allow the effect to build up. This happens to all trains in snowy weather, but can also be affected by ambient temperate and dynamic weather.
Crikey Chris. Have you got a secret camera in my house? I'd literally just been playing about with this exact same thing Two images taken seconds apart........but the second one taken after I had tabbed to the end of my service and back again. 1) Plenty of snowflakes. 2) Nowhere near as many snowflakes. However I haven't been able to replicate, today, the type of image I had got yesterday which I can only describe as my windows having a full sheet of ice across them. (And this was despite having used multiple camera angles en-route). The only other thing I can think of was whether my scenario, my mod, or even my whole system, needed to be 'reset;' after the upgrade had been applied. (For instance the scenario has been tweaked in scenario editor in-between picture 3 and picture 1). Might that have made a difference? Just noticed that Waverley and Haymarket have no snow on the platforms but that Edinburgh Park has. I presume that this will be a route specific query and may be deliberate? Thanks for your help
Oh it was snow on the windows. I thought it was frost on the windows. The snow effect on the windows is deliberate. You are not encountering a bug. It is likely that it has always been this way - the Class 166, class 377 and class 375 all have the same effect (and have been that way for some time). I quite like it. I like being forced to use the wipers - unlike on the faster units where I can't actually tell if it is raining, because I can see perfectly out of the window. As for why it is only the first coach, it is exactly as said above - culling to save performance.
It was picture 3 that prompted my original post. The windows in the front coach of the CL170 more or less went opaque. I can't say I have seen that on other units? (Mind you, I can't replicate that effect today so, maybe, something else needed to be nudged within the game). Today this is what I see. (Completely different to yesterday despite scenario and the weather conditions being identical???). I, also, don't mind having to use the wipers but I didn't really like the way the side windows looked. The main thing is that, at least, there isn't a bug within my mod
Thank you for your understanding. While the appearance of snow on the windows may be subjective and up to personal taste, there doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary here. Therefore, I will mark the thread as resolved.
Indeed - but when you said frosted - I assumed it was something else. My bad. to replicate, I tested it with a variety of trains in the training centre. Of the trains I tested, only the DB BR 442 Talent 2 from Dresden-Riesa did not have the snow effect. All you need to do is sit in the train, or near the train window and watch the snow build up for about 10 seconds.
Crikey I hadn't realised that so many items of rolling stock froze up if you picked snowy weather. Do all of those multiple units have 'opaque' side windows running down the full length of the train? Thanks for having a look and showing me this
Indeed, they do. Interestingly, in the Class 377 picture above, only the first passenger window was covered, the rest were fine. The Class 323 and OBB unit pictures show the side windows in the first coach covered in snow. As for the rest, you'll have to take my word for it. They are covered (obviously except for the Dresden Talent 2).
Whilst it may not, technically, be a bug. I'm not sure that having a unit that looks as "toylike" as this in the snow is a good thing Still I can change the weather at a stroke and not have to worry about it. Scotrail did have their "Happy Trains" didn't they. (Class 465's). It looks like they now have another one
