Route Proposal: Altamont Pass ( Ace & Union Pacific) Stockton - San Jose

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  1. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    So this is kind of a follow up proposal for my East Bay Area proposal, as a 3rd route that would benefit that route as well as the Peninsula Corridor Route.
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    The route I'm proposing is the Altamont Pass, featuring the Altamont Corridor Express Trains and Union Pacific. The route would be about 85 miles and would cover the area between Stockton, and San Jose. The route would feature the East Bay area, Niles Canyon, Altamont Pass, and the Central Valley
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    Video from the back of a detouring Amtrak Coast Starlight train from Shinn over Altamont Pass to Lathrop.


    ACE Trains
    ACE has a total of 10 station stops on the route between Stockton and San Jose, the trains max speed for the line is 79mph, with an average speed of 39mph. Like most American Commuter trains, they run in push pull configuration, with the locos leading in Westbound trains, and the Cab Cars in Eastbound ones. Some trains only run with a single loco, while others can run with 2. During the mid day, ACE trains are stored south of San Jose past Caltrains Tamien Station. ACE also has a maintenance facility north of the Stockton Station.
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    Union Pacific
    For the most part, most of the UP stuff that would be included for this route would be local and switching duties in the Central Valley, as most of the East Bay stuff would be better left for the other route I suggested.

    Now Union Pacific lines in the valley are quite interesting, as they took over both the Western Pacific and Southern Pacific Lines in the area, which left them quite alot of trackage to use between Stockton and Tracy. Union Pacific also retains the old WP Yard and Shops in Stockton. A Domestic Intermodal facility also exists near Lathrop on the Ex-Western Pacific Line. The area would be prime for Local trains that service the area, and would be a primary focus for the route (Since mainline traffic over Altamont is quite scarce) However some run thru trains on Altamont Pass is possible.
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    UP Intermodal Yard and Lathrop Wye
    (Fun Fact: The Shrape Army Depot was where the "Flying Scottsman" was hidden while it was stuck in the US back in the day)
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    UP Stockton Yard
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    Cons
    Now, there are a few minor issues with this route. 1 is the fact that ACE's timetable is very small, at most ACE runs only 4 trains a day in each direction. Morning trains run from Stockton to San Jose, while Afternoon trains run in the afternoon back to Stockton. This would leave a much smaller passenger timetable when compared to Caltrain's or Amtrak Capitol Corridor services. The other is whether or not DTG can get an ACE license, as they have a history of not being able to acquire them from NA commuter lines. Union Pacific's modern day traffic over the Altamont Pass is pretty light as well. (I cant find very many modern day photos of UP on the pass)

    One other thing to point out is the Stockton Diamond, located between the UP Stockton yard and the ACE Station in Stockton, as the line that UP crosses over here is BNSF, so that may pose a issue with the route as well. There is plans for a grade separation in the future however.....
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    Rolling Stock

    ACE has used F40's since their creating in 1998, but recently started receiving new Charger locomotives from Siemens.

    F40PH-3C
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    Siemens Charger
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    ACE currently uses
    Bombardier bi-level VI cars and cab cars, but are supposed to receive newer IX cars sometime later this year.

    Union
    Pacific could be Geeps, either the GP40-2 or GP60

    EMD GP40-2
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    EMD GP60
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    Mainline power would be a reused AC4400CW as they
    wouldn't be the main focus here.

    Backdating
    One alternative for this line would be backdating it to the WP/SP era, as the Western Pacific did route their Passenger trains over this line, and the Sothern Pacific line was very close to the WP, so both could be featured on one route, but that's a suggestion for another time. (Since those routes would end in Oakland, not San Jose)
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  2. csxfan#8403

    csxfan#8403 Active Member

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    I like this! And this will feed into Peninsula Corridor as well
     
  3. jedi247

    jedi247 Well-Known Member

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    The SP/WP version would be a great choice. The route should be set in the mid to late 1960s.
    WP Loco ideas:
    -GE U30B
    -GP35, GP40/40-2, or GP20
    -F7/FP7 with California Zephyr passenger train

    SP Loco ideas:
    -SD40 or SD45
    -GP20, GP30, GP35, or GP7/9
    -E7A/B, E8A/B, or E9A/B in Daylight paint
    -F7/FP7
    -FM Trainmaster for commuter services on the Peninsula Corridor
     
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  4. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the SP ever ran Passenger services over Altamont, at least what I can tell...

    However, 1 unit that would be interesting for the route is the Krauss Maffei ML-4000, which actually did run on the pass...
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    Thanks to this train order gifted to the SP 9010 preservation crew, which showed that the 9010 did make a run on the pass in 1966.
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  5. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea and for the GP-40-2 on this route it will receive a reskin from Union Pacific into CSX Paint if DTG wanted a CSX GP-40-2 on Sand Patch Grade. F7 A Unit and B Unit base locomotive for it is CSX Clinchfield version into Western Pacific Union Pacific paint.
     
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