Scotrail 158 Needs To Be Adressed

introduction
The Scotrail 158 was added to train sim world 5 on the 25 of July 2024 which means its been out for quite some time now, however this unusual add on has raised lots of questions in the community that has been brought up again and again in roadmap streams just to be ignored and pushed to one side. I understand this is an addon created by a 3rd party developer however DTG should keep on top of what they are creating and question if this is a suitable addon to be released or is it scamming your customers.
Misleading
The 158 addon comes with 3 SCENARIOS for fife circle and a sprinter express timetable for Edinburgh to Glasgow which generally hasn't been a very popular route and i will admit this did improve the route. although with an addon like this especially for the high price we would expect a timetable for fife circle additionally - the Levenmouth rail link livery is useless without it, sure there's free roam but that's really not the same and would need a huge update in itself to make this addon worth the money.
The question everyone's been asking
Where is the Fife circle 158 timetable update?!
there should be a disclaimer at the stage of buying the product that it doesn't include a fife circle timetable, personally as a marketing student myself this product is not as described in the description and scamming customers out of their money. Either keep us updated or change the description. Thank you.

 

Interesting. Yeah they definitely need to change this; there's no way I can see that you can read that and correctly assume the Fife Circle timetable is intended for a future update.


As for why the silence, probably because there's nothing to update us on. I understand they ran into problems creating the timetable possibly due to the way the route was built.

 

I bought the 158 assuming it was available in timetable mode on Fife Circle. So, those notes are definitely misleading.

 

I'm generally a Skyhook fan and am sympathetic that the delay probably results from some underlying Rivet coding jank, but the Fife timetable is really starting to seem like vaporware at this point, and the store page is clearly misleading.

I think DTG should make them offer no questions refunds on this one tbh.

 

Skyhook already explained the 158 got delayed because of issues they ran into while creating the timetable

 

My tin foil hat conspiracy is that there seems to be an overlap with issues that are present on both WCMLS and FCL...

Skyhook have said previously that Haymarket Depot was a massive issue and the way in which is laid out was causing issues for them (I'd image ECS movements etc). Liam has said in another thread concerning WCMLS that he didn't have access to the original Devs timetable ports (or something very similar) that caused a substantial amount of the AI traffic not to be implemented in the updates as promised (not Liam or anyone elses fault at ground level, they really tried).

That suggests to me, that Rivets build quality and the way they program content makes it extremely difficult for third parties to revisit or rework a route. I wouldn't have thought this is a Skyhook issue, I'd imagine it's a issue Skyhook have unintentionally walked into trying the implement the realistic 158 timetable on a Rivet route which is full of unforeseen issues.

Both WCMLS & FCL seem to suffer from the same issues... It would be interesting to see if DTG takes note of the issues both are facing when asking Rivet to build a route. It seems once routes are built by Rivet they are hard to fix, update, implement other timetables and external developers content. If this is what we can expect going forward that would be a huge red flag for me. I hope this doesn't go unnoticed by others in the community either.

I hope it is resolved, but I definitely think it's going take a lot longer. I believe Skyhook have/had every intention of implementing the promises that come with the 158, it's just unforeseen issue with Rivets route that is the issue.

 

Adam at Skyhook did, just before Christmas give an update, saying implementation of the Class 158 Timetable was taking longer than they envisaged, and it was not something they were happy about. Maybe LucaZone Adam could give us an update on how things are looking now?

 

For all timetables, there should be a certain way they're done irregardless of who makes them.

That way, issues such as this one wouldn't be a thing.

 

Was thinking the same thing, I wonder to myself if Rivet intentionally sabotages so no one can touch their routes.

 

I wouldn't go as far as saying they intentionally sabotage them, no. But, I would say like a cow boy builder they certainly make the route hard to remedy.

I hope Skyhook manage to sort the issues with the FCL 158 time table, but I know it won't be an overnight fix, so wishing them and all their team the best and totally understand the difficulties they are facing.

 

I don't think that's even particularly conspiratorial thinking tbh. I think you're spot-on.

I hope they get it sorted. I can't be the only one who bought it primarily for the updated FCL timetable, right?

 

Im glad I've been made aware of this the 158 was going to be my next purchase so not even AI service 158's appear?

 

The 158 does not appear at all on the Fife Circle timetable, only in the three included scenarios.
It does come with a full timetable for Edinburgh - Glasgow, thoygh.

 

Anecdotally, on TSC Rivet and their offshoot Thomson have been known to inhibit assets so that if you place them in your own route, they can’t be selected and moved or manipulated.

 

I feel as if the 158 on Fife Circle will become a TSW6 thing.