Scotrail Express - 385

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  1. Bravo2six

    Bravo2six Well-Known Member

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    Just for anyone who may not have noticed (I certainly didn't)

    Off map destinations (Alloa for sure) now have audio on the TMS and the player service now correctly displays the destination.

    I was... pleasantly surprised!
    Thank you Jasper_Rivet
     
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  2. SteveRail

    SteveRail Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully they can move onto fixing the -

    • TMS not recognising the final destination
    • Missing late night services
    • Incorrect stopping patterns on peak services
    • Blue flash entering tunnels
    • Intermittent break application at neutral sections
    • Fix TMS so it recognises when you change ends after timetabled service completion
    • Rain not showing on drivers windscreen, shows fine from secondman seat
    • That sound recording we were told about before launch.
    • AI headlight beam becoming visible just as train reaches you
    • Stopping location for 8 car trains incorrect at Linlithgow. Leaves rear 4 cars off the platform
    • off map stations for Dunblane & Alloa services don’t show on PIS
     
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  3. MYG92

    MYG92 Well-Known Member

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    For the 38 Stock it took 2 years to update the audio. I expect the same for the 385 with recorded sound added.
     
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  4. SteveRail

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    Which is ridiculous really
     
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  5. MYG92

    MYG92 Well-Known Member

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    Ridiculous and frustrating I do agree and sadly it won’t stop happening I’m afraid…
     
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  6. 4-COR

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    They’ve taken 8 months to do the bare minimum on a horrifically poor product, I’m not sure why you’re thanking them.
     
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  7. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    So about a third of the way through then...
     
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  8. MYG92

    MYG92 Well-Known Member

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    Oh man yeah not even one year old… but hey there’s worse innit ? *Cough cough* BR 187 *cough cough* 2 updates and 2 years later it’s still garbage, it wasn’t from Rivet yeah but it’s always the same music.
     
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  9. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    Thank goodness I only play the British routes so haven't wasted spent money on that apparent monstrosity!
     
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  10. MYG92

    MYG92 Well-Known Member

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    Well done. Even on a huge sale it’s not worth it. I uninstalled it I’m not even keeping it as ai, sounds are just painful to hear, like the locomotive is asking you to put an end to his misery.
     
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  11. mgbgt

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    Rivet need to fix this, though they also need to fix the 150 which has been out for about 2 years. Make sure you pack a few cans as we could be waiting a while!!!
     
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  12. tallboy7648

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    They are probably focusing on that new Swiss route. It's always the same story. Release the product and then abandon it and focus on the next dlc that not everyone will want
     
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  13. Double Yellow

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    One thing I wish that was a feature, is having the announcements set to automatic. Instead of manually picking a choice every time.
     
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  14. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    They also have a uk route and 2 gameplay packs
     
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  15. AtherianKing

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    Just to add onto this, the last I checked Luzern Sursee there is effectively no horn on at train, as it cuts out not long into any loading of the route.
     
  16. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Well apparently Rivet games says they are unable to add any services that end past midnight. I know that was an issue back in TSW2 but wasn’t aware of that being an issue now.
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  17. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

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    Yeah DTG definitely fixed the issue that caused that. Maybe the issue is to add them in, they'd need to rebuild the timetable from scratch as it would need to be on the new version?
     
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    That’s was way before this route launch. I don’t buy it.
     
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  19. SteveRail

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    Yeah that seems an absolute cop out
     
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  20. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

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    Rivet releases really are kinda just left huh. Shame, cause I really like the 385 and it's route. But having had to use it on PC without the audio mod due to TSW4 really made me realise how painful it is.
     
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  21. TSW Nathan

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    Need the bloody sounds and p.i.s fixed. Bare minimum should be smart p.i.s. every other route is well beyond only showing the final destination. Why do rivet still do that. It really gets my nerve. The sounds are utter dog poo. They barely sound close to the real deal. It might as well be better using the 801 sounds as a temporary fix cause even they sound closer to the irl 385 sounds. Also, why is river so against leaving the lights on in the passenger saloon???! Same thing on iow. Doesn't matter if the master key is out. The lights on most trains are never off unless in a depot. Just unrealistic. As a Scot who has travelled on this route a fair few times I could go on and on about how bad a job they did on this route but it honestly feels like I'm wasting my breath at this point. This "recording trip" that has been promised for almost a year now, sounds like it's still no closer to happening and I'm honestly really disappointed. Specially with all the work going into routes like midland Mainline and Preston - Blackpool. I hope another company like just trains/skyhook can make a proper Scottish route and do us some justice.
     
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  22. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Please send me a link to the audio mod/demo to the audio mod Fawx. Would love to hear what it sounds like. :)
     
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    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    There should be a option for automatic but still have manual there for special announcements or the ability to turn off the automatic ones if you'd rather go manual.
     
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  25. AtherianKing

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    Issues with at least Neutral Zone and Sounds still to this day put me off ever even considering the ScotRail express route.

    I remember completely looking forward to its release at one point… I was really exited to see the 385 come to TSW, but then only to find out it was implemented horribly…

    certainly Rivets lack of bug fixing puts me right off purchasing they’re content.
     
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  26. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Yea. Completely agree. Wish they'd use the mod as a temporary fix at least as it's alot better than the botched job they made of it. I love that it's a Scottish company making their local Scottish route but their quality needs to be alot higher.
     
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  27. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    The fact the company is Scottish and they made a Scottish route like this is ironic isn't it. You'd think they'd take some pride in their work.
     
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  28. AtherianKing

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    It certainly needs a new approach than the current plan on how to deal with after care of releasing a product. That will also go to all developers not just rivet of course.

    The current one just says to me not to trust any of their content rather than assurance things will be fixed.

    edit: DTG have been pushing quite a few updates lately but not much has effected my main concerns with TSW, particularly my least favourite beginning with “Z”… no word on some other top issues like PIS or Passengers neither.

    then theirs also the error of putting time into moving the 43’s seat camera whether right or wrong whilst leaving the wipers broken, which makes it unplayable in adverse weather. Priorities are definitely wrong in quite a number of areas.
     
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  29. MAX1319

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    honestly I can't see myself getting any route from rivet games until I see some big improvements. If they couldn't get their local route done correctly what chance do they have on any upcoming dlc's
     
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  30. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Well. They do. But it's like an ugly baby. You need someone else to tell you it's ugly cause your too proud of what you've made to notice it's problems.
     
  31. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Think Dovetail could do with giving the team @ rivet some lessons. At least for sounds, physics and some other features. Think they need a bit of a refresher.
    Sounds like they should be learning from just trains concidering their out-doing dtg right now. The quality from them seems amazing so far!
     
  32. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Unless big improvements are made or it's a route that is absolutely amazing and Scottish with some gob smacking feature then I don't think I'm buying from them again. It's sad really because iow 484 was actually pretty good.
     
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  33. SteveRail

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    Annoyingly I honestly don’t think it’s far off being a great dlc. There’s a long list of outstanding issues but ti me none of them SHOULD be that difficult to fix. Absolutely baffles me that they haven’t done it, how can they not understand that making the route as it should be will help their future sales significantly!?
     
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  34. Fawx

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    Biggest issue for me is the Audio of the 385. I don't really have many issues other than that.
     
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    • Lights don't stay on in passengers area
    • Sounds are unrealistic
    • Exterior interlock lights don't flash when gaurds Pannel is activated
    • Exterior interlock lights don't turn on sometimes when you open the doors
    • No smart p.i.s
    • Carriage door sounds unrealistically recycled from Cathcart.
    • Lighting problems when entering tunnel (blue effect)
    • Rain effects don't show sometimes
    • When gaurds key is in and a.i tries to open doors, local door locks and cannot be opened again.
    • Incorrect start and end platforms for services
    • Incorrect formations on some services (eg: a 8 car service irl is a 4 car service in game)
    • Announcements do not work when spawning on foot
    • Running electrical hum of the train is not always audioable throughout the train even when the pantograph is up
    • A.I passengers do not have the TSW4 passenger upgrade (eg: luggage, coffe cups, etc...)
    • A.I trains derail themselves on certain services into Glasgow Queen Street
    • Stopping patterns incorrect on certain peak time services
    • A.I P.I.S displays do not always display
    • Next stops for out of bounds services do not have an announcement
    • Stops after Croy on Alloa services and Stops after Polmont on Dumblane services do not have the stops between the final drivable station and the actual final destination.
    • Carriage Doors do not automatically close
    • Incorrect font for P.I.S
    • Button covers missing on gaurds pannels
    • Neutral sections ethier engage emergency brakes or make a excessively loud sound
    • Wind sound isn't fixed on some services
    • Announcements don't recognise final destination
    That's my list. Let me know if you've encountered any other bugs or problems that I don't have here. :)
     
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  36. Fawx

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    Damn, that's quite the list.
     
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  37. SteveRail

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    Plus no rain on windscreen, neutral sections, announcements not recognising arrival at end destination and the missing later services which I don’t accept the Rivet reasons for as they are nonsense.

    Also the fact that TMS doesn’t recognise when you complete a service from timetable mode snd want to take it back again, have ti go to menu & select the service from scratch.
     
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  38. MAX1319

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    Agree. As I stated before if they can't get their home route correct, I have no confidence in their future content. Therefore I will not buy their future DLC's
     
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  39. TSW Nathan

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    Exactly! And they didn't even build it to their home turf in Stirling! They completely left that branch out!
     
  40. bdlhouston#8691

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    This is what the 385 should've been on release
     
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  41. Fawx

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    Really hoping the mod gets ported to TSW4 soon. It's unusable atm.
     
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  42. meridian#2659

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    The 385 doesnt even have flange sounds, not setup entirely in the vehicle. Not even a modder can help here.
    What a new Low for the franchais.
     
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  43. SteveRail

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    Are they gonna fix anything listed here when they release the gameplay pack or just looking to milk it a bit more do we reckon? Place your bets now….
     
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    I'll put a bet on milking it rather than fixing anything.
     
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  45. MAX1319

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    I'm still baffled by the excuse for not being able to add any timetable services past midnight. After that isue was fixed with TSW3 launch and this route came 4 months later.
     
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  46. TSW Nathan

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    I bet my brothers life that their just milking it. So sad really. Could've been a good route. Really want JT to take a whack at a Scottish route now tho. It's amazing what they've done with Preston to Blackpool and Omskirk.
     
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  47. SteveRail

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    Without a shadow of a doubt
     
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  48. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    That's without us even having it yet as well.
     
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  49. ethanafro#1375

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    Hopefully they are all fixed in this new Expansion Pack coming out
     
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    I think the chances of that are slim. But I hope I'm wrong.
     
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