The grand LMS route for TSW? The Grand Final LMS route? Probably not if we get London Euston-Glasgow but the game can’t bare Crewe yard. Anyways The Settle-Carlisle route is Iconic for the great views and challenging inclines of North West England. Settle-Carlisle is 73 miles Skipton-Carlisle is 88.8 miles also (Skipton Station is bigger that Settle Station) but Leeds-Carlisle is 119.6 miles but I feel like that would be too long and crashy and the longest uk route is 89 miles and that’s SEHS. The line is still used today but isn’t electrified and it is usually small DMUs and freight trains. The History (Yes you can skip this) The Settle–Carlisle line (S&C) had its origins in railway politics; the expansion-minded Midland Railway company was locked in dispute with the rival London and North Western Railway (LNWR) over access rights to the latter's tracks to Scotland. The Midland's access to Scotland was via the “Little North Western” to Ingleton The Ingleton branch line from Ingleton to Low Gill, where it joined the Lancaster and Carlisle Railway, was under the control of the rival LNWR. Initially the routes, although physically connected at Ingleton, were not logically connected, as the LNWR and Midland could not agree on sharing the use of Ingleton Station. Instead the LNWR terminated its trains at it’s own station at the end of Ingleton Viaduct, and Midland Railway passengers had to walk about a mile over steep gradients between the two stations in order to change into/from LNWR trains. An agreement was reached over station access, enabling the Midland to attach through carriages to LNWR trains at Ingleton. Passengers could continue their journey north without leaving the train. The situation was not ideal, as the LNWR handled the through carriages of its rival with deliberate obstructiveness, for example attaching the coaches to slow goods trains instead of fast passenger workings. The route through Ingleton is closed, but the major structures, Low Gill and Ingleton viaducts, remain. It was a well-engineered line suitable for express passenger running, but its potential was never realised due to the rivalry between the companies. The Midland board decided that the only solution was a separate route to Scotland. Surveying began in 1865, and in June 1866, Parliamentary approval was given to the Midland's bill, for which Samuel Carter was solicitor.Soon afterwards, the Overend-Gurney banking failure sparked a financial crisis in the UK. Interest rates rose sharply, several railways went bankrupt and the Midland's board, prompted by a shareholders' revolt, began to have second thoughts about a venture whose estimated cost was £2.3 million (equivalent to £230 million in 2021).As a result, in April 1869, with no work started, the company petitioned Parliament to abandon the scheme it had earlier fought for. However Parliament, under pressure from other railways which would benefit from the scheme that would cost them nothing, refused, and construction commenced in November that year. The Trains Layers from Peak Forest and Spirit of Steam for The Jubilee, 8F and 4F but if it is based in the 1930’s I suggest Fowler tenders for the Jubilee and 8F. The LMS Coronation Class (Main express loco for the LMS pulling the Coronation Scot as well) 1950’s: 1930’s: LMS Black 5 (Mixed Traffic): I don’t know the name of this class but it’s a 2-6-4T (Yes Finally a tank engine) LMS 3F Jinty (Mixed and shunting) I know yes there probably is a lot of mistakes and is very hard to have a steam route go over 50 miles
feels weird seeing a steam train in revenue service (excluding railtours and heritage lines) with OHLE in the background
Excellent idea over all and speaking of this This might be an Ivatt design. If you want an Ivatt then go with Ivatt 2-6-2 Arthur locomotive. Which can then spawn a 4MT Belle locomotive
To be historically accurate it should be the "Royal Scot" class 4-6-0 rather than the "Coronation". I don't believe the Coronations routinely worked this line, they were mainly used on Euston to Glasgow and Euston to Perth trains. The tank engine is a Fowler 2-6-4. None have been preserved. It would be easier for DTG to make the Fairburn 2-6-4 tank engine or the BR Standard version as there are preserved locos they can photograph, record the sounds etc.
They might not add the “Royal Scot” because it might be too similar to the Jubilee because they said We did think about adding the Black 5 but we thought it would be too similar to the Jubilee” something along the lines of that so even though having smoke deflectors and a bigger boiler I believe.The rebuilt Princess Coronations did pull Royal Scot services but I don’t know if it did run Settle to Carlisle.
As said above I don't think the Stanier Pacifics were common on the expresses. The Royal Scots would be a great addition though and hopefully be put on the existing steam routes too. That looks like a Fowler design to me. Also what do you mean by 'Belle' and 'Arthur' locomotives because as far as I am aware these weren't given nicknames by the LMS, though I am very much an ER man so please enlighten me if the LMS tanks had any official nicknames. Actually were there any individual LMS tanks which had a name? Sorry for going a bit off topic but as I say my knowledge of the old LMS territory is nothing compared to that of ex LNER land. EDIT: Sorry didn't see someone else had corrected you above me.
Those are the Thomas and Friends Characters that are the 4MT Tank and LMS Ivatt 2-6-2T. Speaking of the Fowler is there to tell them apart from an Ivatt Design.
You don't tell an Fowler 2-6-4t from an Ivatt 2-6-4t because there were no Ivatt designed 2-6-4 tanks
There are several ways to tell that the tank engine is a Fowler 2-6-4 and not Ivatt. Firstly, as nate suggests, you can count the wheels. The nearest Ivatt design would be a 2-6-2 rather than a 2-6-4. Second look at the number, LMS 2300 became BR 42300, and if you look it up you will find that is was a Fowler design. You can also look at the cab, only the Fowler 2-6-4s had that opening in the side of the cab. The later Stanier and Fairburn 2-6-4s and the Ivatt 2-6-2s had side-windows on their cabs. Next is the boiler, the Fowler 2-6-4s had parallel boilers, but the Stanier, Fairburn and Ivatt designs had taper boilers. So I am totally convinced - it is a Fowler 2-6-4. Sam - the Jinty was probably photographed near Manchester (London Road), I suspect the OHLE is for the Woodhead line. There were a few Jintys based at Belle Vue shed, this was probably one of them.
