Should I Buy Tsc?

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  1. ctlee#2068

    ctlee#2068 Active Member

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    I bought TSW3. I like DRA and SEHS.
    But stutter and quality make me dissatisfied.
    My last purchase was SKA+423.
    SKA looks like early demo, not mature product. Honestly, it's semi-finished product that shouldn't be sold.
    TSW is flooded with expensive demo, and make me feel like a idiot. If I don't buy it, I don't get hurt.
    I want to try TSC. Should I buy TSC? Which pack should I buy?
     
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  2. bidibul#3139

    bidibul#3139 Well-Known Member

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    It's just the same thing but less beautiful.

    The lessers :

    It's as buggy as TSW3
    it also jerks of course.
    The FPS is very unstable, it varies from 15 to 300 on the roads.
    Assets are very good on some routes and super bad on others
    antialiasing sucks
    Graphically dated, the game is 12 years old anyway!
    Very very poorly optimized for new generation PCs (the game runs on a single core!!)
    If you have a processor that runs at less than 3 ghz it will jerk to death.
    .

    Most:

    There are many different routes, more countries than on TSW3.
    Much longer roads on TSW3
    a route and scenario editor (so you can fix everything unlike tsw3)
    A listening community
    a lot of good quality freebies
    several small third-party editors that create beautiful things.
    of future maj according to the words of DTG which allow us to pass on several heart and dx12!!!
    Thousands of hours of games and creations

    If you buy a version of TSC go to instant gaming and take the last 3 it will bring you a lot of very good quality routes.
    You can buy the 2020, 2021, 2022 versions and install them one on top of the other as a simple update.

    the website:
    https://www.instant-gaming.com/fr/rechercher/?q=train+simulator

    the version with 3 routes included:
    https://www.instant-gaming.com/en/7953-buy-train-simulator-2021-pc-game-steam/

    https://www.instant-gaming.com/en/10637-buy-train-simulator-2022-pc-game-steam/

    https://www.instant-gaming.com/en/12836-buy-train-simulator-classic-pc-game-steam/

    Personally I have TSC and TSW3 (by the way I have TSW1 and TSW2), I have always been a big consumer of train DLC!

    I really like TSW3 but it lacks the depth and quantity of TSC.
    I play more TSC than TSW3!
    TSW3 is a "closed" game, you can't change anything while TSC is completely open.
    Now if the graphics are your priority then TSC is not as beautiful as TSW3, you will be disappointed for sure.

    My advice buy this cheap version on instant gaming and test it at worst you will have lost 4euro!!

    https://www.instant-gaming.com/en/12836-buy-train-simulator-classic-pc-game-steam/

    I specify that I am a free addon developer for 10 years that I have more than 9000 hours on the game, I do not denigrate I tell the truth.

    Good day
     
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  3. Blazin

    Blazin Well-Known Member

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    This is a difficult question because there is a lot to it. Train Simulator Classic has a very large variety of DLC on Steam and third party which is really good, there is almost anything you could ever ask for! However it can be quite pricey so I recommend buying the game with one of the bundles that includes multiple routes and locos for a much cheaper price than buying them separately. There are 5 of these, the USA Deluxe Edition, Swiss Deluxe Edition, UK Deluxe Edition, German Deluxe Edition and Chinese Edition. In terms of how much you get and save, the Chinese Edition is the best, it has a good variety of content in it that isn't just from China. Includes stuff from the UK, USA and Germany too and you save a lot of money buying that than buying them all separately, it's a very good bundle. If you want to buy other TSC DLC in general, I recommend waiting for sales as most of the stuff on the store is not worth it at full price in my opinion. TSC also has better immersion and realism than TSW however this varies a lot because some DLC is really good and not buggy, or really bad and buggy. Also the graphics does bring the game down a bit. However there are multiple graphics enhancements that you can buy from third parties that make the game look so much better such as RW Enhancer (There is the regular version, Pro version and the sequel for RW Enhancer. It provides game wide graphics enhancements and for the sequel version, audio enhancements too and makes some stuff more convenient), Armstrong Powerhouse Sky & Weather Enhancement Pack 2.0 (It only applies to UK routes but it isn't that hard to learn and put it on other routes either), Armstrong Powerhouse Track Enhancement Pack (It only applies to UK and some other European routes, I am pretty sure you can apply it to other routes but it may be inaccurate to how that route is in real life and may be difficult) and ReShade which is actually free and can also customise game wide graphics but it's complicated to get the settings completely down to what you want. For specific DLC to buy, if they aren't included in one of the bundles buy the European Loco & Asset Pack and US Loco & Asset Pack. I can't really comment on much other DLC since I don't really know the best from each country since I mainly only play US and UK routes. Armstrong Powerhouse makes very good British DLC for the game, probably the best. However if you are buying from their website, their scenario requirement list can be very long and pricey. They have put a few of their DLC on the Steam Store that don't require scenario requirements (except for the route they have scenarios on and they come with less liveries and scenarios than what would be included on their website). Their Wherry Lines route on their website with scenario requirements and on Steam without scenario requirements is a fantastic route and I definitely recommend it. However the version of Wherry Lines on their website received an update last year and looks much better but the Steam version did not receive this. However if you buy the Steam version, you can later purchase the upgrade for the route from their website. Bossman Games makes excellent British Steam Locomotive DLC which is on the Steam store. Milepost Simulations makes some nice USA routes that are pretty good on the Steam Store and Searchlight Simulations put their Canadian Pacific AC4400CW on the Steam Store for Milepost Simulation's Canadian Mountain Passes route and I have heard it is a very detailed and realistic American Loco DLC. I can't speak much on other countries DLC though but there is a big variety in scenery, trains and driving in general that you can experience with all kinds of different routes. Also some extra things about the game like FPS performance on the game can vary for each route and loco and can be quite low sometimes but (usually) isn't unbearable. The developers are working on some massive updates though to fix the poor performance of some areas of the game because of how old the game is now but personally I really enjoy driving trains in this game, I love it and do it every day. This was a very large post so I am sorry if it was overwhelming, there is just so much to talk about for this game! I hope this helped, happy simming!

    I will probably edit this post as time goes on as I remember some more stuff to mention about the game. :)
     
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  4. triznya.andras

    triznya.andras Well-Known Member

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    I'd argue, choose by content.
    I quickly ended up appreciating variety, commute and countryside, agile and monstrous.

    The current pack is only available for two weeks, until 27th April. Check out the announcement, maybe you (only) want the new one. Or both.
    Bidibul's list and general suggestion is also very valuable, check out 3rd parties for old pack keys.
    Since you mentioned SEHE, the current offering should give you two similar routes (with the Class 390 and the BR 411).
    It's a good start at 8-10€ per pack, then you could check the ones with the best reviews. If you have the time, go deep and browse the big list of offerings, build a wishlist, then wait patiently for discounts, there are plenty.

    If you're worried about the visuals, visit the Creation Center here, there are several screenshot threads with many authors contributing, so you should get a general idea how the game looks like. I play without enhancements and mostly old content, link to Steam below. Also check out the Steam community screenshots and the profiles of those you like.
    I find the visuals enjoyable and nice enough, granted I play slightly cartoonish games (Blizzard stuff, Guild Wars 2) but then the point is, it's consistent. There are higher fidelity routes but they also tend to require a strong setup.

    The ultimate argument in favor of TSC is that you can gather related DLC, then mix & match them. And of course 3rd parties, there are some fantastic trains and enhancements out there, although with TSC updates coming, the latter might not have longevity.

    From above post:
    For specific DLC to buy, if they aren't included in one of the bundles buy the European Loco & Asset Pack and US Loco & Asset Pack
    Yes, but not directly. There are many routes supplying it, usually the old ones, but anyway.
    https://steamdb.info/app/208300/subs/
    If you go through these, those with a world icon (packages with a store page) have it.
    My absolute favorite offering both is Canadian Mountain Passes.
    As for cheaplings, the old Portsmouth is home to a large number of old stock. This page shows the pricing logic. :D
    https://steamdb.info/sub/14677/apps/

    One more thing. You can check out the workshop of TSC and note which scenarios seem interesting. Add required DLC to your wishlist.
     
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  5. locobilly

    locobilly Well-Known Member

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    Yes grab the release that's coming up April 27th for £19.99 which includes some very nice additional routes. Re. the graphics, yes it's a much older game, but the scenery has improved an awful lot in recent years and there are many add-ons, both freeware and payware which can transform the game - both scenery and locos, though routes from the last few years are pretty good to start with. I've seen comparison screenshots between the 2 games in which TSC actually looks better! Also there are infinite scenarios available for free on the workshop.
    You can also build your own routes or switch things around with routes in the game. You'll get many years of fun with it. Finally the devs are doing a free core update and have said they will work on it in the future too. So it can only get better.
     
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  6. ctlee#2068

    ctlee#2068 Active Member

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    When I searched TSC on YT a few months ago, it was mostly too old videos. In fact, new version graphics are okay, especially TSW3 has no details.
    I come from a small country with poor railways. I want to play complex routes, like Germany spectacular Hbf. TSW3 can't express these, but cuts into fragments.
    If I only buy main body without pack on steam, will there be any routes?
    Should I buy Chinese Edition now, or wait for new core?
     
  7. locobilly

    locobilly Well-Known Member

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    I would wait until April 27th and then buy that new release which includes the core update. You get some routes as part of it anyway, but you will also get 3 free routes designed to make it a special pack for new owners, one each from UK, USA and Germany, and they are very good and quite recent ones:

    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/train-simulator-classic-–-core-update-route-refresh.69230/

    Yes the routes in TSC are always much longer than in TSW. Also on workshop you will find routes that have been connected together so you can drive for much longer. Also the save game function works better than in TSW.
    When you choose new scenarios in TSC make sure you do it from within the game as the program automatically knows which locos, routes and dlc you have installed. As for bugs I have not been troubled by any.
     
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    If you get the base game now you will still get 3 routes, but it's less then what you would get if you bought one of the bundles. Keep in mind you can also still buy the bundles even after you buy the base game or one of the other bundles, so you are not limited to just one. The 3 routes you get with the base game will also change soon with the core update at the end of April. Currently if you buy the base game you will get the German Bahnstrecke Riesa - Dresden as well as the extension for that route called Bahnstrecke Leipzig - Riesa. You will also get the WCML South: London - Birmingham New Street route based in the United Kingdom and the Tehachapi Pass: Mojave - Bakersfield route set in the United States of America. However, these 3 all come with the Chinese Edition bundle and I assume the other Edition Bundles too on Steam. The core update at the end of April will replace these 3 routes with Germany's Pegnitztalbahn: Nürnberg - Bayreuth Route, The United Kingdom's Huddersfield Line: Manchester - Leeds Route and the United States of America's Long Island Rail Road: New York - Hicksville Route. As well as a new Deluxe Edition that will also include East Coast Main Line London-Peterborough from the United Kingdom as well as the Flying Scotsman Centenery Steam Loco DLC. I don't know if the 5 Edition Bundles that currently exist will still be there with the new update, I assume they will be but I will ask just to make sure they'll still be there. So for now I would say wait until the update near the end of April, due to the core update that will make the game more stable. I do recommend taking a look though at the routes on the Steam Store that are included now and the ones that will replace them to see which ones you like more. Also the 3 routes that will be replaced will still be available to purchase after they are swapped out for the new 3.
     
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    bidibul#3139 Well-Known Member

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    You buy whatever happens the core plus 3 routes.
    The core is indivisible from a "starter pack"
    As said above, the next pack arriving on April 27 will be superb, the 3 routes offered are great, there will be a lot to do, you will have 1000 times more fun than on TW3.

    On TSC you have real quick drives, ie you can drive with an English train on a German or US road!!!
    you ride with what you like on the road you like there are no restrictions like on TSW3

    Buy an edition, no matter which you will never be disappointed with TSC.
     
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  10. triznya.andras

    triznya.andras Well-Known Member

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    Yes. If you buy just TSC, you get the three routes.
    Same with old bundles, you get those routes and the core game.
    Deluxe is for people who want those specific extra pieces of content.
    It's not possible to get just to core engine. There are some routes giving you TSC as well.
    Mind you there are regular 50-60% discounts, that said the current price is already a bit lower, not to mention inflation.
     
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    Buying TSC is like buying a drop of water to quench your thirst, you think to yourself "I only need a small glassfull to satisfy my needs".

    Anyway, my bathtub is almost half full now....
     
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  12. ctlee#2068

    ctlee#2068 Active Member

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    Is next Steam sale on April 24?
    I will buy CH. and download after update.
     
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    Is there a link for the connections/ how to connect routes? Would love to stitch my ECML together
     
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    I would say yes. I own and enjoy both but there are some things TSC just does so much better...
    Lighting (though I know that's subjective).
    Longer routes.
    More diverse routes from many different countries, not just the three TSW focuses on.
    Greater variety of loco and rolling stock assets.
    A reasonable editor if you want to make your own routes or scenarios for existing ones.
    A save slot for each scenario unlike one for the entire game in TSW.
    It is still the best place to go for steam traction, with TSW Spirit Of Steam still largely unfulfilled on its promises and no guarantee the next steam route will be any better.
    Official DLC is generally cheaper than TSW, after the price hike to £30.

    As the counterpoint...
    TSW does offer a comprehensive timetable though this is offset by the still buggy save mechanism (which they either don't know how to or CBA to fix) that pretty much prevents you chaining runs together resuming as necessary.
    It is quite immersive to actually be able to walk round and interact in a proper first person view.
    It's the only decent train sim officially available to PS and XBox owners in the West.
     
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    This is a general link to sorting out routes from scenarios on workshop because amazingly they're all crowded together which makes finding routes difficult:

    https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=24010&browsesort=toprated&section=readytouseitems&requiredtags[]=route

    You'll need to go into the list and find the ones that connect 2 or more routes.
     
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    Since you like the Southeastern High Speed route for TSW you'll like London to Faversham for TS. It's shorter than the TSW version but the scenery is better and there's more to do. The route is quite old though, but has aged well.
     
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    ... or the full network, except for the tunnels I think:
    Chatham Main Line: London Victoria, Blackfriars, Dover, Ramsgate
    London-Faversham is nice but over time I'd argue it's been superseded. I like it, don't take me wrong.
    The new Portsmouth version is a nice alternative and it gives a complementing experience instead of the same.
     
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    That doesn't have High Speed 1 though, which it seems the OP likes driving on. Unfortunately DTG's development of the Southeastern network means the full Southeastern experience in Train Simulator requires three routes to be bought. London to Dover and Ramsgate is probably the best route by itself, but it doesn't have the Medway Valley Line which Chatham Main and Medway Valley Lines has. And neither has High Speed 1, which is a completely different experience. And then London to Faversham is also set before all three Chatham Main Line versions, with Gravesend, Rochester and Rainham now being very different stations. I don't know what DTG were on when they were building these routes but I'm not happy about it.
     
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    locobilly Well-Known Member

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    DTG's offices are in Chatham aren't they? Maybe that what they do in their lunch breaks, dream up new routes based around them!
     
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    In TSW3, compared with poor routes, DRA and SEHE are much more busy and real.
    "Liking high speed" is not as "liking express in urban areas". It seems that CL395 stop too many in Chatham line.
    In terms of route preference, I prefer complete Germany Hbf. I don't know the operation of Hbf. Game is easier than youtube, especially google can't translate technical terms.
    I found that some routes have Extension tag and some don't. Can I drive from Dresden to Berlin?
     
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    In regards to the Class 395 stopping too much on the Chatham Main Line, there are a few good high speed based scenarios on the London-Faversham High Speed route which just has you solely going high speed on the High Speed 1 line from St Pancras International to Ebbsfleet International, and then sometimes it will have you divert from Ebbsfleet International onto the regular lines and there is Quick Drive where you can always set your starting point and destination and you don't have to stop anywhere except your final destination if you just want to go high speed without stopping too much. Routes tagged with extension are an additional section of railway that is added onto another route where you will need to have the original route for the extension to work. I don't really know much about the German routes or their railways in real life but it seems if you want to drive from Dresden to Berlin, you would want to buy the Bahnstrecke Riesa - Dresden Route and it's extension as well which is the Bahnstrecke Leipzig - Riesa route extension and then you would also need to buy the Berlin - Leipzig route if you want to drive all the way from Dresden to Berlin. It seems once arriving at Leipzig after coming from Dresden, you would want to swap into the Berlin - Leipzig Route to continue the journey to Berlin.
     
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    ctlee#2068 Active Member

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    I just bought TSC. How to set graphics and brightness?
    I'm surprised TSC has the same rail shadow. Although not obvious.
    How to modify gamepad? I had to turn off PZB because I couldn't find button. I even can't find AFB button.
    TSC have wider field of view. The house is very beautiful!
    20230418160800_1.jpg
     
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    I would suggest to read manuals of routes /trains you have. You ll find them in the "manuals" folder inside the game folder.
    Unfortunatly in TSC you cant modify keyboard assignements. Its particularly bad when using AZERTY keyboard but probably with no standard keyboard either.
     
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    Another tip is to go into your System/Display/Graphics and adjust the graphics level from "let windows decide" to "high performance" for the "Railworks" entry. I have an Nvidia card and it has transformed the look of the game. Best thing I ever done.
     
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    As you start the game in the Top RH Corner is Settings
    settings - gameplay mod.jpg
    Settings 01-06.jpg
    Settings 3 v68.jpg
    You could try reading the Manual which comes with each DLC and shows the Keyboard Controls
    On German Trains the AFB is a Lever - not a Button
    Why do you wish to modify the Control Handle?
    Almost Every train in TSC has W for Forward, S for Reverse, A for Power Up, D for Power Down.
     
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    ctlee#2068 Active Member

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    I have read all manuals.
    I use gamepad because I always press S key. Normal habit, W is acceleration and S is deceleration.
    I really can't do PZB and brake at the same time on keyboard.
    Gamepad in TSW3 is well set. It's a pity that TSC is not the same, I think it doesn't seem to be difficult.

    Some locos have strange behave that slow down too fast. Can players edit it?
    I found the keyword called "reshade".
     
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    TSC has been around before Gamepads were invented
    TSW was optimised for Consoles with Gamepads

    If you put 75% brakes the trains slow down fast - if you use 25% brakes it takes longer to slow down
     
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    Gamepads were around in the 80s and 90s :)
     
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    If you feel this way about the Koln-Aachen route on TSW, you will have serious problems with TSC. The graphical fidelity is ten years behind TSW. TSC is intended to be a simulator, not a video game.

    That said.. you can find TSC so cheaply on reseller sites that it's impossible not to recommend. When you purchase any version of Train Simulator, you'll get the current TSC build with the base routes from the version you purchased. So you'll get the free upgrade on April 27 but without the base routes that the 2023 release of TSC contains. By grabbing older releases on deep sale you can assemble a really deep bench of DLC for less than 20 bucks all in.
     
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    My 90s Sidewinder disagrees with you... Even if Windows 11 disagrees with it.
     
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    I actually do quite like the HUD, it has some excellent features on it (this bit was edited, I previously said it wasn’t the best but due to the post below it made me think about it again and I changed my mind. :) ) But unfortunately with a game like Train Simulator Classic you can't really optimise it for things like Gamepad / Controllers due to how many controls some of the trains have. (However some simpler trains in the game can be played with controllers instead of keyboards. I cannot really say for other controllers but my Xbox controller does work with Train Simulator Classic). It's just when you get to the more complicated and realistic rolling stock like Armstrong Powerhouse DLC, you will find it isn't compatible with a controller and you must use the keyboard.
     
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    I quite like the HUD in TSC, specifically the line graphic at the bottom showing the gradient and stations. I much prefer this to TSW3 where you have to look all over the place if you are using it.
     
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    So you think that everything should change because you cannot be bothered either using a Keyboard or a mouse?
    TSC is not an arcade game like TSW.

    Some players have problems using the eggs-box controller which you think is fantastic.
    You cannot use the PZB because you controller does not like it

    Try driving a proper loco which needs more interaction.
    BR AC Electrics, 76 & 85-87, have to be driven instead of just opening up the controller
    Might be why DTG have not made one for TSW
     
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    To be fair, the original Class 86 and 87 play great with a controller. I used to play Train Simulator almost exclusively with a controller as my keyboard was an AZERTY layout and it's better than you think. However, there are obvious problems with it that means it is no longer a preferred control method except for accurate camera movements, which it still does very well. Ultimately I have -nojoy in the launch commands for a reason, but I remember helping a user on this forum who is now gone who wanted TS to play a bit more like TSW. I suggested using DS4Windows and setting the touchpad on the DualShock4 (and now DualSense) to work like a mouse. I use it in Test Drive Unlimited to use the map which was never set up for a controller, but the person I was talking to was overjoyed when they used the mouse on the touchpad to move controls in the cab like in TSW.
     
  37. ctlee#2068

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    Some loco are too old. Even jump out other DLC prize. How do I find the year?
    Has DTG updated any DLC?
    I spend a lot of time changing graphics. I really like the graphics, TSW3 is unreal in comparison. But glass reflection is too strong, how to improve?

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    You can find the loco of DLC from the Steam Store and it varies all the way from the games release in 2009 to present day so there is a large variety of old to new DLC. It's a bit hard to tell but for example I think that DB Class 101 in that screenshot is the one that is often used from the European Loco & Asset Pack on the Steam Store, which was released in 2009. Updates do not often come out for older DLC. I am not sure what or if any graphics enhancements you are using so I can't really comment on glass reflection settings, sorry about that. Is that glass reflection with every loco or just that one? If it's just that one it may just be a feauture that came with the train.
     
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    Glass reflections like that from my experience are textures placed in front of the windows to give the illusion of reflections. TS does offer reflections in some places (such as water reflections, which are very good in TS) but not glass I think.

    The BR101 in front of you is the old Kuju model although depending on which route you're playing it has had some updates over time. The BR101s you get in modern routes aren't that bad, although still have the feature set of a locomotive released seven years ago or so.
     
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    So you pick a loco from 2009 then complain that its not up to 2022 TSW standards
    Unless there is a Fault with a product DTG won't update it.

    That BR 101 is from the Euro Loco and Asset Pack
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/208300/Train_Simulator_European_Loco__Asset_Pack/

    If you want a proper BR 101 try this one by Virtual Railroads
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/448194/Train_Simulator_DB_BR_101_Loco_AddOn/

    You might not know coming from TSW that there are many third party developers making add-ons for TSC
    https://virtual-railroads.de/gb/
    https://www.3dzug.de/
    https://www.simexpress.fr/

    And others
     
  41. triznya.andras

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    I think he was merely curious about figuring out the release date for things, and overall satisfied (line three).
    There is no simple way to know as a lot of assets have been copied. As I'm involved with older content, it's very visible how each year the designers added some stuff but also kept reusing some older ones, overall to a great result.

    I can only recommend to take a hard look at the store sales pages, they are slightly 'shopped in terms of lights, but expose details fairly well.
    A lot of models are compromised - there are models even from around 2012 which absolutely destroy frame rates, due to details and texture resolution. Also, while I may be happy to just see my train and nothing else during a photo session, my past self was happy to see filled yards and plenty of movement, which can get taxing.

    To circle back to why it's hard - Koblenz-Trier which is relatively newer, and has an overall wonderful look, comes with low fidelity 2D vegetation, and its scenarios use the Classic EU pack released between 2007-2012, some of which is detailed, others cartoony, some just old.

    With TSC there is this deal, variety of assets through the ages but therefore also in quality. It would be awkward to limit yourself to certain items just because. The upside cannot exist without the downside.

    What I'm trying to communicate here is a mindset.

    Many trains have newer versions if you look out for them (101, 151 has been released as Pro, you can swap them in for AI or even yourself), but then get prepared for parting with four digit amount in euros fairly quickly.
     
  42. ctlee#2068

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    If I buy loco DLC, will it be replaced automatically in vanilla game?
    I prefer routes to trains. If you have trains but no routes to drive...
    Most third-party products do not have translations. How to find and translate text files?
    About 40 DLCs have been translated into my language. These will be the first to buy.
    If it's not on steam, my credit card may not allow me to buy.

    Leipzig - Riesa
    Scenarios [01] ICE T 14:12 Dresden Hbf - Wiesbaden Hbf
    Is there a bug? LZB is faulty. Where is Wiesbaden?
    What happened to dig out the cave?
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  43. atomicdanny

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    Where is Wiesbaden? - It's the end of where the ICE T service goes in real life - so it's just the name and destination of the actual service, so in this one you'll only do Dresden to Leipzig :)

    it's here ;) - https://goo.gl/maps/ZcfeWoZ2H7DZS4mu8
     
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    Huh? I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Loco DLCs are added to the game in four ways - almost every DLC except some obscure or older ones comes with scenarios for at least one route. You will need that route to play them. Most trains available can be played in Quick Drive, where they can be driven on any route also with Quick Drive (although electrification settings will limit what trains can be driven and where). In Quick Drive, AI can spawn using DLC you've bought, a bit like substitution in TSW albeit set up less consistently. For example, London to Brighton can have the Class 171 and 465 spawn (and presumably the 442 as well but I haven't checked). And then, no matter what other content you have you will always be able to use loco DLCs in scenarios you make by ticking them in the provider list, although if you are not aware of how to make scenarios there are a bunch of tutorials available to teach you.
     
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    Where is Wiesbaden?
    It's a translation error, call Leipzig hbf as Wiesbaden. English version is correct.

    How do you play Quick Drive? How to make timetable like TSW?

    In Game Settings: What's the use of "Head Light Flares"? I can't find a difference.

    BR 261 is very good. But the manual is very brief even in loco DLC.
    Is it right that turn off PZB during shunting? When pushing train into Leipzig hbf, is PZB also closed?
    How/when to operate "Front Lights", "Gear Ratio", "Economy Mode"?
    The most serious error: Cab light across the floor.
    Why is soundproof installed in middle not outside? In my country, shunting is often complained of excessive sound. The soundproof seems to be installed in wrong place.
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  46. torfmeister

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    Just a note - TSC has almost no restrictions when it comes to content created for it. There's good and bad DLC.

    Best german locos are made by virtualRailroads (sort of the german Armstrong Powerhouse - Maik Goltz (TSG) has previously worked for them).

    You need to judge DLC individually - TSC itself is just the "framework" that runs it.
     
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    Quick Drive is a menu option. You select your loco, consist, route, start and end location, season, time of day and away you go. You can create custom consists if the pre-built ones don't interest you.

    Headlight flares create the halo effect you see when looking into a bright light, especially at night. It applies to loco headlights, not other lights.
     
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    Is there a way to find out which routes/locos come with achievements or career play? I got Great Western expressway and on the stema page it says it has career scenarios and achievements but contain neither. Just "standard" scenarios.
    Does this mean the "career" scenarios are relatively new?
     
  49. torfmeister

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    All routes from DTG which were published in the last 9 years or so feature Career scenarios. JustTrains does not do them.

    There is no real Career to achieve. You're just collecting XP points, which are important for some, but fairly useless to me.
    Also some achievements are broken. My way of playing this is to turn off scoring and try my best without hunting for points, which can turn realistic operation into a silly unrealistic race.
     
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    While it is still a very 'work-in-progress' project, renowned Steam Workshop route creator Danny has a route available on the Workshop that combines the London to Faversham and Blackfriars/Victoria to Dover & Ramsgate routes, allowing players to drive from St Pancras to Dover/Ramsgate via HS1 to Ebbsfleet:

    https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1298545317
     

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