Should The Class 313 Sounds Be Updated?

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  1. oliver109

    oliver109 Active Member

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    The 313 is one of my favourite units but I think the sounds need a rework, what do you say?
     
  2. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Fix the DSD first, then worry about anything else.
     
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  3. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    From the latest newsletter from armstrong, they were able to record a preserved 313 in much more detail, so maybe dtg could buy the sounds someday, but I think it might be better to come alongside a route or paid addon of some sort so dtg can recoup the cost of buying the sounds.
     
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  4. Trainiac

    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    It’s unlikely the 313 will ever receive anymore updates than it’s already had unless it comes bundled with a potential ECW update. And besides, if you’re gonna update the 313 it’s not just the sounds that might need tweaking, all of the physics will need to be done from scratch sine it acts more like it’s running on AC rather than DC
     
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  5. ludwigtails

    ludwigtails Well-Known Member

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    I wonder would we ever be able to get a dual voltage /0 or /1 version ever. Probably not i would guess.
     
  6. taku#7970

    taku#7970 New Member

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    I think the physics need to be a high priority than the sounds.
     
  7. aeronautic237

    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    Are the sounds wrong? This reminds me of when the Class 166 got an audio update, when I thought it sounded fine.
     
  8. Doomotron

    Doomotron Well-Known Member

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    I imagine that if there's ever a route set in London in the appropriate era it would be possible to have it, but without a place to drive it there's no reason to have it.
    The TSW 313 is a bit LOVE in all aspects really. The sounds are too quiet, the door sounds just aren't there at all, the physics are way off as Trainiac says, and the interior is incorrect too.
     
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  9. aeronautic237

    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    Oh I forgot about the door sounds entirely. I didn't think it was too quiet though - but that's just me.

    All the more reason to do a sound overhaul then! Shame, I thought the 313 was decently done.
     
  10. Doomotron

    Doomotron Well-Known Member

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    Some mistakes were so obvious that I'm shocked nobody brought it up. Anybody remotely familiar with the Southern 313s would know that the doors have modern PRM door sounds (some later being fitted with the same used on 800s, although this is less well known), that the seats at the ends of coaches (except next to the cabs) are the original low-back seats, and that obviously the carpet used in the passenger area wouldn't be used in the gangways...

    The Class 465, while overall higher in quality, absolutely bemuses me. How they managed to use the incorrect moquette in standard class and not fix it when they had so many opportunities to fix it (and didn't even fix it when they ported it to TS) I do not know. It's pathetic.
     
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  11. Trainiac

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    I think the 465 interior depends on subclass because this is what it looks like in TSW
     
  12. Doomotron

    Doomotron Well-Known Member

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    Nope. The first class moquette is used throughout the train in TSW, despite using the blue moquette in standard in real life (although the first class moquette is, weirdly, used by the accessible toilet in real life). While the pattern in the same, the colour is not and I do not know how they messed it up. In real life the material is thicker in first class although I that doesn't really matter in the game.

    It's also worth noting that not long after its release LondonMidland made a patch that fixed it. Class 465/9 Weathering Enhancement pack - Train Sim Community

    While we're at it, the white Class 375's interior is also completely incorrect, and would have been closer to real life if they hadn't done anything with it. I don't know what they were thinking.
     
  13. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    The Class 465/9 interior is supposed to look the same as the 375s from what I've read.
     
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    Doomotron Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure what you mean by that... Other than the Compin seats in first class and the moquette patterns being the same, the interiors are completely different.
     
  15. Thorgred

    Thorgred Well-Known Member

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    sounds for me do not have to be exactly 100% the same as in real life
    and how a door sounds when it opens and closes is less important to me
    then how the train itself sounds
     
  16. AirbourneAlex

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    The sounds are fine for me, after all they are AP sounds which are usually fairly accurate. The main thing that bugs me are the physics; the unit will momentarily lurch forward and wheelslip if using notch 4 below 30mph, and occasionally wheelslide if using notch 2 braking above 55mph. Something similar exists on the Class 483 where you get momentary wheelslip when accelerating from standstill.

    If we ever see ECW extended/remastered, then an update to improve camshaft physics would be most welcome.
     
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