*sigh* What Could Of Been.... ( Santa Fe F7 )

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  1. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Using a bit of magic with scenario planner and the creators club, I was able to put together what this loco DLC should of looked like at bare minimum....

    DTG, I know the Passenger stock fell thru, but you had the Clinchfield cars and caboose at your disposal, you couldn't of at least gave us 1 Santa Fe Boxcar and Caboose?

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    Given your previous comments, I'm surprised you bought it.

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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Bought it, used it for a bit, refunded it.
     
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    Bad Boy :mad:
     
  5. Callum B.

    Callum B. Well-Known Member

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    Scenario Planner and some Creators Club Bluebonnets are all I need anyway. Better than suffering Warbonnet F7s subbing in for ES44C4s in terribly anachronistic fashion...

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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, the only value left would be screenshot contests, which I cant use anything from the CC, so there's nothing left for me.
     
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    may i ask if you are willing to share your engine.ini, your color balance and saturation of whites and blacks is really good
    cheers
     
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    Default, I dont touch the ini
     
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  9. Mich

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    The more I think about it the more disappointed I am that they didn't make a ATSF/BNSF Fakebonnet C40-8W instead. Seriously it feels like such a perfect compromise, you get a more modern unit that blends in decently with everything else, while still getting to rep one of the most iconic paint schemes ever. Save the F7 for at least a GWR Legend's type pack, if not a full on 60's era ATSF route.

    The one plus side I can think of is knowing DTG's tendency to rework and reuse asset chances are still good for something like that happening.
     
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  10. NateDogg7a

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    The F7 can sub in for the ES44C4? Has this been confirmed? If so, that's a major turn off.
     
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    I dont think there was any BNSF "Fakebonnets" for the C40-8Ws, as least from what I can tell. All the Fakebonnets were either Dash 9s, GP60Ms,SD75's or B40-8Ws
     
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    Not in the sense of the game mechanic, but rather the idea that BNSF would substitute F7s on their mainline services, hauling mainline freight, alongside their mainline locomotives.

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    That's the thing. It may appear like a perfect compromise for us on the forums, but as FD1003 pointed out on the forums some time ago, we rail enthusiasts are simply not the main target audience for TSW - that's the casual gamer. Now put yourselves in the shoes of the bean counters: On the one hand, you've got Warbonnet F7s - arguably the most iconic loco in history that any child would recognize and want. On the other hand, you've got a Warbonnet C40 (or a Dash 9 would have been another great option), which will make the casual gamer think: "Looks the same as what comes with the route". Which will the bean counter go for?

    It's a sad prospect for a simulator, especially when compared to stuff like Zusi or Run8, but TSW is simply not truly aimed at us on the forums.
     
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    Quick google search found at least one patched unit:
    http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/GEORIG/C40-8W/826.HTM
     
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    Interesting, wonder why 826 got the fakebonnet treatment, while it seems like the rest of BNSFs Dash 8s only got a simple patch or a H2 paintjob.
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    Now I'm curious too. I looked at some more pictures and whilst they seem extremely rare, I did find two other fakebonnets - 812 & 814. Pictures from here. No idea why these few in particular got it when the rest apparently didn't.
     
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    Ah yes I see. Thank you for the clarification.
     
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    Other than the RHHT I feel the rest of the dlc was a missed opportunity.
    The F7 squeaky clean and no coaches, or appropriate consist, and a German repaint.

    It's sad that I find myself looking forward to what the community do with them.
     
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    F7 could have been Freight and Super Chief Sleeper Train service that uses the current Super Chief schedule
     
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    There hasn't been a super chief US train since 1974, so looks like you've got your wish. The F7 running no service.

    Now if you meant the Southwest Chief the. That runs through the early hours of the morning, hardly a good choice to show off the livery plus I'm not sure how either BNSF or Amtrak would feel about such a service. BNSF because theyd not want to be linked to a service with such poor OTP. And Amtrak not wanting a heritage loco at the lead of one of their trains.
     
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    That's what I meant and thank you for telling me about the Cons of Southwest Chief on TSW 3. Speaking of that Train where would the P42DC & P40DC locomotives for Southwest Chief come from
     
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    I repeated the Barstow 1 switching service to see if there were any changes, and, sure enough, I saw 5 F7 AI trains running through the yard at various points. Certainly added to the activity level.

    At one point I was driving the BNSF locos through the departure yard and had an ATSF F7 train moving on my right and rakes of UP autoracks on my left. Three railroads in one scene.

    What spoilt the experience were the comically short F7 consists, maybe 20 cars or so. Ridiculous!

    If DTG had bothered to equip the F7 with banking com, we could have had long consists with helpers, just like in CRR, but drivable. Maybe it could have been back- ported to Clinchfield.

    Don't like to use the " L " word where working people are concerned. Let's just say the decision-makers were unwilling to make the effort to keep a long-standing promise.
     
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    just a summary that the rolling stock mod is still in beta and has not been released yet. The sound mod is available to download
     
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    Howed you get the number on the cupola? I tried and could only get it on one end, I forget which, but it went fine on one end and wouldn't go at all on the other. GAssXnR.jpg
     
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    Regarding the F7, I was wondering, if one made a resking of the BNSF SD40 and ES44AC in Santa Fe liveries, would that be a somewhat acceptable setup? (talking about proper reskin mods, not livery designer)

    Currently the F7 looks really out of place with the modern BNSF stock around it, so I was wondering if turning the route into full Santa Fe era would help. Did they have SD40-2s and ES44ACs in Santa Fe liveries? Did they even ever ran alongside F7s?
     
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    The closest that would be would be the standard SD40 in the Pinstripe scheme, since those came in around 1966, and the F7's on the ATSF roster lasted till the early to mid 70's, after that the ATSF F-Units were retired, sent to Amtrak or converted into CF-7's, around the time the ATSF started getting their SD40-2's. The GEVO is too new, the ATSF never had them, and the closest widecab that we have in game that the ATSF owned is the C40-8W, but those came in the early 90's, way too late to run with an F7.
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    I see. Such a shame, because I really like the F7, but it just looks so out of place on the route with all the modern stuff around it.
     
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    Then DTG wonders why some call tsw a simcade which it frankly is
     
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    Several of your screen shots show F7's in an A-B-B-B-A lash-up, but the Units control in the F7's cab only allows for a maximum of four, so how would 5 elements be accounted for?
    (I'm guessing that I already know your reply, but will wait for you to provide it.)
     
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    IDK, I just picked a random thing in scenario planner and just went with it
     
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    The entire unit-selector thingy is just about trying to compensate for the losses in the control cable for the dynamic brakes - nothing else. My guess is that the loss of dynamic braking force with more than 4 units was simply accepted. I can't imagine there is a vast difference anyways. They definitely didn't shy away from 4+ units lash-ups:
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