Signal Lights For Colour Blind

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  1. OpenMinded

    OpenMinded Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    I am red green colour blind. This is the most common colour deficiency (according to Wiki, around 8% of all males have it). It has prevented me, and many more people, to become a train driver, pilot or any other job where recognizing colour is important.

    Even though I don’t have issues identifying signals IRL (proven through quite a lot of real cab rides), I don’t seem to be able to differentiate between the green and yellow lights on most signals in TSW2. Red is not a problem, as the temperature is so low, that it is clearly visible. I know there have been discussions in the past around the colour temperatures used by DTG for some countries, however, I have never seen a response to this.

    In TSW2 I usually try to identify the correct colours of signals by the position of the lights on the signal screen, however, this is impossible at night and if you are fast. Rain makes it even worse. Especially approach signals make it difficult, as you can be quite fast passing them.

    My suggestion would be to add an option, which would turn all green lights into white lights, which would allow people with my disability to identify from far out between red, yellow and green lights.

    Even if you are not suffering from this, I would be grateful if you could give this subject a thumps up, as I am hoping to bring it onto the radar of the people in charge.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. breblimator

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    Try this

    Some examples

    EDIT: these settings are still present in the current version - tested a second ago - good luck :)

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  3. OpenMinded

    OpenMinded Well-Known Member

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    Will give it a try, thanks!
     
  4. Easilyconfused

    Easilyconfused Well-Known Member

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    I am 100% colour-blind - I am in the small percentage who live in a totally monchromatic world.

    Sometime ago Dovetail modified the signal icons on the screen in TSW to have the pictograms with the proceed, caution, stop symbols which was apparently a fairly trivial win-win for people like me. I am told the programming effort was minimal and it was something that has made a huge difference to me.
     
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    If you have the next signal option on the hud you'll notice a bar through the aspect. Vertical for Green, Horizontal for Stop, Diagonal for Caution. This was added very early on to improve things for colour blind folk. I know getting advance warning of signals isn't realistic, but it is an option they included.

    I wonder if there could be a mode for that where it stays grey until the train is within sight of the signal, then shows the aspect with indicator bar, might be tricky if you want to do it by sight, distance may be an easier way
     
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    Thanks Fabdiva - that is what I was referring to.
     
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    You just beat me to the reply :) Was trying to word the idea of how to avoid spoiling the next signal for the player, while still giving a colour blind symbol when the signal would be visible to a coloursighted (is that the word?) player
     
  8. OpenMinded

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    Yep, the HUD is obviously a possibility. Nevertheless, as you have said yourself, not really realistic;) But you are right, for now it does work. I would assume, however, changing yellow lights to white would be an easier thing to implement as an option then keeping the HUD indication hidden until you see the actual signal?!

    Easilyconfused, would that help you in your situation as well? Can you differentiate a, say, red from a green in its current state?
     
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    Sorry to hear that , maybe dtg can develop a colour blind version of the game
     
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  10. OpenMinded

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    That was the idea, saltychipz#3569. It would be enough for me, if they could add an option which would turn all yellow signal lights into a white one. I would assume that this would be the case for all red green colour blinds as well.

    Just to re emphaszise my point. In the following picture, all four signal lights look absolutely the same to me:
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    I know that each signal shows one green and one yellow light, only, I can not see a differance. Again, if the green one would be white, I would differentiate it and it would (in my case) represent what I see in reality, where a green signal looks white to me.
     
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    Just wanted to give some feedback and a shout out to breblimator to thank him for the suggestion to use ReShade.

    ReShade does work quite well. In fact, there are templates for certain colour deficiencies. The only problem is, obviously, as soon as you change a colour for a signal you change all colours within the TSW2 world. I ended up in having really odd colours on trains as well, however, I am now able to fully differentiate the colours of the signals from a distance. This gives me a hugely improved gaming experience.

    I am still fiddling around with some settings, however, as I am colour blind, colours on trains do not have such a high meaning to me as it would probably have to someone without this problem.

    Having said that, it does still look odd, even to me. Hence my request to DTG, to come up with an option to only change signal light colours for people like me.

    Here a picture of what a 101 looks like to me in game;-)
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  12. breblimator

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    Yes. Exactly. Maybe they will isolate it one day, only this element. Beautiful rose on 101 :D
     
  13. dedh98mosqueto

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    doesn't the game show a line in the middle of the next signal box on screen?
     
  14. OpenMinded

    OpenMinded Well-Known Member

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    I guess you mean on the HUD?! Yes it does, however, I would like to be able to drive without HUD... Now I can:cool:
     
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    Heard TrainSim-Matt speak about this subject during the roadmap stream:D Big thank you to take this into consideration!

    My suggestion is already in the first post of this thread, simply make the signal lights changeable, if possible.

    I must say, however, with the newer German routes you have already made things much better. On HLL I am now able to differentiate, even though, unfortunately not from very far away.

    Keep it going:cool:
     
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  17. Rybnicki

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    Hope they can find a solution for colourblind people, I hadn't thought about this accessibility point before so thank you for bringing it up.
     
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