So Harlem Line "remaster" When?

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by PseudoStalker, Mar 20, 2026 at 4:37 PM.

  1. PseudoStalker

    PseudoStalker Well-Known Member

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    C'mon, DTG, you've made most of the work(GCT counts as x10) to renovate this route, less then a half left.
    Why stop when the team is still hot?
     
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  2. Princess Entrapta

    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    Hudson first plx.
     
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  3. PseudoStalker

    PseudoStalker Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but it doesn't exist in TSW. On the other hand Harlem Line is.
     
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  4. randomshunter

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    The new route runs at ~25fps.



    Do you really want 25fps remasters? :D
     
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  5. PseudoStalker

    PseudoStalker Well-Known Member

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    I've tried GCT at 07:30(rush hour) and got 35-37 FPS, then 11:30 gives me 51+ FPS.
    I believe that for GCT this is a normal result that I am ready to accept.
    P.S. I have all the layers.
     
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  6. Princess Entrapta

    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    That is my point.
    Any remaster of the Harlem line would undoubtedly be left behind by updates to the shared parts any Hudson line release made. Better to wait for it and bring Harlem up to that standard than do it now and regret the better remaster we'll never get because it already had one and DTG cannot justify remastering the same route twice.
     
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    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    Frankly I am just impressed that GCT gets more FPS for me than Hoboken.
     
  8. mortal1234

    mortal1234 Well-Known Member

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    Hudson line would be amazing. I hope this happens.
     
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  9. flukey#4378

    flukey#4378 Well-Known Member

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    From another thread...NEC version of what is occurring to the WCML in TSW linking Boston to Philly via NYC
    1. Hudson line - with the inclusion of both Grand Central and Penn station
    2. NEC NYT v2 - Penn to Philly (Introducing the Avelia!)
    3. Stamford to New Haven State St (40miles)
    4. New Haven union to Providence (86miles)
    5. Harlem remaster (with AI and upgraded stations from Both New haven and Hudson line)
     
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  10. PseudoStalker

    PseudoStalker Well-Known Member

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    What's the point without Lake Shore Limited? DTG is not interested in adding ViewLiners or Genesis.
    Not in the near future.
    Why do we need a separate route instead of an extension?
    Too much length, too little traffic density.

    Someone else - maybe. DTG - no.
     
  11. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    When someone decides to do it on their own free time like the other ones.
     
  12. flukey#4378

    flukey#4378 Well-Known Member

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    At the moment most DLC are coming from 3rd parties not the DTG team so it would be great if a 3rd party wanted to pick any of those up..

    TSW rarely do extensions, I would like an extension to New haven but if not its the next best thing!
     
  13. PseudoStalker

    PseudoStalker Well-Known Member

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    Like 3,5(SEHS, LIRR and Drezden twice) already and who knows how many to go.

    I just want more routes for the M3/M3A - I love her.
     
  14. sam5166

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    Why not just merge the Harlem Line with Stamford route with the section from Mount Vernon West to North White Plans? The Harlem Line timetable in the New Haven Line is the exact same as the one used in the Harlem Line DLC. After all with the merger of NY Trenton and LIRR, route mergers can be done
     
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  15. flukey#4378

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    For New haven to Providence it'll be no different to the other USA DLC such as Cajon pass, Sherman hill or Horseshoe curve long slow freight runs without much density!..or even the requested Pacific Surfliner!

    At least this would serve a purpose linking Philly to Boston (if the others were also completed) and if done right the scenery would be just as good as a pacific surfliner with the section from New haven to Westerly! You would also get gameplay with the M8/asc-64/Acela and the MBTA HSP46 across the whole line in parts (unsure on freight runs)
     
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    I have to agree here. Lots of options to make it happen :)
     
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    PseudoStalker Well-Known Member

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    There is a difference - it's a dense area, opposite to Cajon or Sherman Hill. It will require a lot more work in terms of setting up the scenery.
     
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    New Haven to Providence isn’t that dense. It’s mostly rural/suburban and a few highways. However outside of the small area of scenic space on the LI Sound and getting into New London, it’s also extremely boring IMO. That’s when I dose off for a bit during my trips between Boston and NYC.

    Also I’m good with holding off on the Avelia. Rode one today for the first time an while very nice inside and Amtrak making a huge effort to keep it clean, the seats are not as comfortable (yet, need to be broken in more) and most importantly the horn is awful! Maybe it’s some PTSD from the trip that has me wanting to skip it in game. :)
     
  19. trainsimplayer

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    I feel like Harlem would probably run a bit better, it gives Amtrak, NJT and LIRR a miss so it would just be Metro-North and a bit of freight, that can't be too bad.
     
  20. flukey#4378

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    I will say though with the Harlem line it would be nice if they could go the extra 29miles to Southeast Station which is the end of the third rail.. At present the route coverage is 24miles only, so quite short, while the entire length is 53miles (not including the diesel section) which fits right into todays DLC route lengths!
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    because it is not as simple as that. First is that there is going to be major performance problems. Then the system somehow has to figure out every single combination of dlc you have and adjust automatically which is a ton of work. Then each requires their own separate timetable. Also a ton of work. THen you have to rebuild the routes to combine. Also a ton of work. There are technical reasons and other reasons why it can't be done in tsw
     
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    A ton of work does not equal impossible. A new timetable would not to be made since the harlem line timetable on the NEC route is the same one used in the Harlem DLC.
     
  23. randomshunter

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    If they remastered the Harlem line, would DTG be forced to change the M3A and M7A cabs?

    Blanking over door controls, fuse panels and forcing safety systems on would be bad.
     
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  24. R3DWolf91

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    Amtrak runs more than just the Lake Shore out of Penn up the Hudson. In addition to the two Canada trains (Maple Leaf to Toronto, Adirondack to Quebec) and the Vermont train (Ethan Allen to Burlington), there are several Empire Service trains that run throughout the day. Out of all those, only 49/48 are equipped with Viewliners, the rest are all Amfleet trains.
     
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    That or the Springfield Line if they can ever manage to negotiate a CT Rail license
     
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    I don't think so, since it wouldn't be a new release, just an update to an existing one
     
  27. Disintegration7

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    I'd take that trade for a Harlem remaster in a second!

    I don't care about door controls and i don't even understand driving without safety systems on routes without visible signals. How is that fun?
     
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