If the vectron is layerd in, in dutch the power system is 1.5 kv. So to reduce heat, in netherland loco's put 2 pahntograhps up at the start , otherwise the one will melt maybe, or get damaged. So please add that feature then too, or it is unrealistic
Hi former technician on vectrons. there’s 4 pantographs on the DB vectron (DACHINLB). AC1/4 25/15KV DC2 1,5KV DC3 3KV So how can it be a feature if there’s only 1 1,5kv pantograph?
It’s common to raise both pantograph under 1.5kV DC with older locomotives, as when departing and arriving, it’s drawing too much amps especially with coaches because of their lighting and heating system. So to lower the amps, you raise the second pantograph so it can be distributed better on both pantographs instead of one, to avoid any damages like melting a little bit the pantograph head. With modern trains/locomotives, they’re mostly using computer so now, an electronic chip can control and limit the amps needed when departing or when the train is stopping for a long time at a station. It’s common to see this in my country too for exemple and even on modern locomotives, it’s because many train drivers are assigned to older and modern locomotives so to keep that habit of raising both pantographs when driving the old ones, they raise both pantos on modern locos as well.
I have no experience with Vectrons, but the HLE18 in Belgium automatically raises the 25kV pantograph when the loco draws more than 175A under 3kV (as long as the train line is on and the loco doesn't move). Since the Vectron is the successor to the HLE18, I would expect it does something similar, like for example using the 3kV DC pantograph. I do not know if this is the case though.
The HLE18 is totally different compared to the Vectron, Vectron is MS and the HLE18 is only 3KV and *only* used in belgium if i’m right, the thing i learned about locomotives is that every locomotive is different. And the case is the Vectron MS has only 1 1,5KV pantograph and doesn’t constantly switch like the NS TRAXX does
exactly, i don’t know anything about the HLE18 i was just assuming because i don’t know that locomotive at all and that the question of the OP doesn’t mention the HLE18 at all, different locomotive, unrelevant to this forum, however the vectron MS DB that’s being used has no mention of 2 1,5KV pantographs, only 1 for 1,5KV and 1 for 3KV nor does it draw automatically power from a 25kv pantograph
hmm, that's weirdd, because today I 've seen a vectron in my country(netherlands) with 2 pahntograhps rised, and when on like 10 km /h the one goes down.
So the correct 1.5kv pantograph goes up in game, but the 2nd pantograph closed to the camera in the first pic has a slightly different collector strip design which isn’t present on the DB Vectron we have, probably because we have the 193/3 and that one is a 193/9
that’s a ns vectron or to be exact “ELL”, totally different compared to the DB vectron this is an ELL leased locomotive by NS, NS made some arrangements with ELL, totally different locomotive compared to the DB vectron. keep that in mind.
I never said the opposite, it was confusing I must agree because I forgot to quote the OP to answer when he saw a Vectron with both pantographs raised. Yep I totally forgot to quote the OP, it was confusing I admit. But yeah they’re different.
Actually the magic of Sodor was done with gold dust Vern if you haven't seen the movie! Spoiler alert: Shavings from the magic railroad mixed with water and thrown in the air!
Because it doesn't need to be a dedicated 1,5kV DC pantograph, you obviously shouldn't do high speeds with a pure DC copper collector under an AC wire (that'll wear the OHL pretty bad) or with a pure AC carbon strip collector under DC wire (will pretty much murder the strip), but every multi-system locomotive (all French, and not getting any younger) I'm familiar with have their pantographs electrically linked by the roof line at all times by default (barring a pantograph failure necessitating the voluntary grounding of said pantograph), which allows: - To deal with high amperage when starting under DC power - To have a backup should the "good" pantograph fail - In some cases, to have the front pantograph double as an ice scraper
Absolutely correct however for some locomotives they can wire the same pantograph AC/DC operation notably TGV POS/Euroduplex 15kv 16.7hz 1.95m strip for 1.5kv DC SBB Rabe 503 1.45m strip Cooper AC Switzerland/DC Italy. The easiest example is DB Baureihe 180 CD 380 they use the same direct current pantograph under German/Austrian 15kv 16.7hz
Well, it's not that different of a loco, since the HLE18 is the Vectrons predecessor. Does that mean both locos are the same? No. But it does mean similar features were likely to be implemented while designing the loco. Also, the HLE18 runs under both 3kV DC and 25kV AC. We also have quite a few 25kV lines in Belgium (including the high speed lines), and not only does it run in Belgium, it also goes to Aachen and to Paris. I've included a picture of a HLE19 (the same as the HLE18, except for the automatic GF coupler on one side), where after raising the 3kV panto (the rear one), and turning on the train line, the 25kV panto (the front one) automatically raised without me asking for it. It came back down as soon as I started driving. As for the pictures of the NS Vectron that were shared here, it's indeed the 1,5kV DC and 3kV DC pantographs that are used.
A nice discussion going then this garbage… does every thread need unrelated DTG bashing that has nothing to do with the topic… I would hope the community it’s would be a bit more mature than that, but of course I am probably mistaken.
Way to go with sense of humour failure, not to mention your retort added even less than my admittedly whimsical observation.
Sorry Vern, I don’t see constant bashing unrelated to the discussion as “humorous” , but rather tiresome. Of course this doesn’t add to the original topic so I will cease
Back to the point: So how is it possible to also raise the 3kv and the 1.5 kv? If you rise the 1.5 kv it is not working to also ut the 3kv up for me.
No, if it’s about the DB vectron it doesn’t do that, unlike the NS vectron or any other vectron that operate in passenger service, the NS vectron made some changes with ELL that the trains they leased could be used for passengers operations
