Sos Braking Question

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  1. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Query: are there key maps for controlling the steam brake and vacuum brake separately? It seems the risk of derailment could be appreciably reduced if one could start braking the wagons before applying the fast-acting loco brake.
     
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    paulc Well-Known Member

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    Looking at the lever in the cab, it has a ramp that actuates the steam brake as you work the lever, it is possible to work the steam brake separately but not the vac brake independently from the steam brake.
     
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    JustWentSouth Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure how protobical this is, but here is something I do to essentially “bail” the loco brake.

    I apply small amount of brake with the combined handle. Make sure the large ejector is off. Then, immediately after releasing the brake, I turn off the small ejector.

    At this point, I have a train brake application due to diminished vacuum, but nothing in the brake cylinder of the loco. I can then feather the train brake with small adjustments to the small ejector, all done without applying the loco brake.
     
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  4. rat7_mobile

    rat7_mobile Well-Known Member

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    About the braking, how can the brake van use the brakes when it is at the end of an unfitted train, with the unfitted train we have in the game, there is not even a pipe on the unfitted wagon to get the vacuum to the brake van.
     
  5. Anthony Pecoraro

    Anthony Pecoraro Well-Known Member

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    The brakevan has a handbrake.
     
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  6. rat7_mobile

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    but it still need the vacuum for the brakes to be applied
     
  7. chessiet#4231

    chessiet#4231 Active Member

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    No, it simply uses it’s own brakes and the weight of the van itself, brakes are applied using the handbrake wheel inside the brake van. The rest is down to the force of friction.
    If you look outside the van at the platform at each end, these are huge concrete weights!
    Not like modern railways at all, but that’s how it was done!:)
    ChessieT
     
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  8. chessiet#4231

    chessiet#4231 Active Member

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    It’s worth reading the post by stewartforgie
    in the Freight Problem thread.
    He was a BR freight guard; and gives a first hand idea of how railways operated in a pre-technological Britain!
    Where human skill and experience counted for everything!!!
    ChessieT
     
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    stewartforgie Well-Known Member

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    Just like other wagons, some brake vans were fitted with a vacuum brake some were piped and some were unfitted. On fitted and piped brake vans there was a lever to operate the vacuum brake.
     
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    stewartforgie Well-Known Member

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    Just for added interest, A Freight guard back in the day would have completed one of these Journals for every trip he made.
     

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  11. chessiet#4231

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    Brilliant stuff Stewart; it’s great to hear from someone with first hand experience!!!
    ChessieT
     
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  12. rat7_mobile

    rat7_mobile Well-Known Member

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    if you go into the brake wagon, there is a vacuum valve
     
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  13. gazz292

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    i do hope it does nothing on the train in question, as there would be no way to get the vacuum from the loco up front producing the vacuum, to the guards van at the back with unfitted wagons in-between.
     
  14. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Correct. It's there for fully-fitted trains.
     
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