South London Network (south London + East London + Crystal Palace Line)

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  1. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    A Map of Southern, Thameslink and Gatwick Express. Yellow marked Lines are the Lines for this Suggestion.
    • Stations
      • Brighton Main Line
      • East London Line
      • South London Line
      • Crystal Palace Line
    • Services
    • Rolling Stock
      • Class 377
      • Class 455/8
      • Class 378
    • Joint Routes
    • Conclusion
    Hello Everyone, today I propose the South London Network from London Victoria to London Bridge including the Crystal Palace Line and South London Line.

    Stations
    I will Split the Stations into the Lines:
    • Brighton Main Line
    • East London Line
    • South London Line
    • Crystal Palace Line

    Let's start off with the Stations on the Brighton Main Line

    London Victoria
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    The Concourse Hall of London Victoria

    London Victoria opened in 1860 by the Victoria Station and Pimlico Railway and is one of major Stations in London, served by Southern, Southeastern, Gatwick Express, The Tube and the London-Paris-Venice Service. It is soon to be served by the Crossrail 2 Project. This Station is of course Part of BML.

    Clapham Junction
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    2 Class 377 Units at a bit of a crowed Clapham Junction

    Clapham Junction opened in 1863 and is part of the Brighton Main Line aswell as the Portsmouth Direct Line and South Western Main Line. It is served by the South Western Railway, Southern and the London Overground.

    Balham
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    Class 455801 arriving at Balham
    Balham is a Station where Southern Services from London Victoria split, with some Services going on the Brighton Main Line and some going on the South London Line.

    East Croydon
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    A Class 350 at East Croydon, used for Replacement Services

    East Croydon opened in 1841 as part of the London & Brighton Railway under the name of "Croydon". In 1862, the Station was renamed to the Name "East Croydon". It is served by the Croydon Tramlink aswell as Southern and Thameslink Services.


    East London Line Stations

    New Cross Gate
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    The New Cross Gate Station Building
    New Cross Gate also opened in 1836, also being part of the London and East Croydon Railway and has 5 Platforms and is served by the London Overground and of course, Southern. There were plans for the London Jubilee Line to terminate here, but were Cancelled.

    Sydenham
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    Class 455925 at Sydenham
    Sydenham is a 2 Platform Station, served by the Overground and Southern. This is where some Southern Services from London Bridge go on the Crystal Palace Line and head towards London Victoria.

    Norwood Junction
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    A Class 377 at Platform 4
    Norwood Junction is the last Station on the Extension and also links some Services from the Crystal Palace Line from London Victoria towards West Croydon. It is Served by the London Overground, Southern and Thameslink. The Station has 7 Platforms, only 6 of them being in use.

    West Croydon
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    The West Croydon Station Building
    West Croydon opened in 1839 as part of the London and Croydon Railway and is also the Terminus of the East London Line.
    South London Line Stations
    London Bridge
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    The Station Concourse in 2018
    Let's start of with London Bridge. London Bridge opened in 1836 as part of the London and East Croydon Railway and of course, is Still open till This Day, going through a few constructions/upgrades. It is the Terminus for most of the Southern "Metro" Services and is also served by Thameslink and Southeastern Services.
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    The Station Layout of London Bridge in 2018
    As seen on this Picture, Platforms 10 to 15 are served by Southern Services, while Platforms 1 to 3 and 6 to 9 are served by Southeastern Services, leaving Platform 4 and 5 being served by Thameslink Services.

    Peckham Rye
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    Platforms 3 and 4, operated by Southeastern
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    Peckham Rye Station Building

    Peckham Rye is a Station that is served by Thameslink, Southern, Southeastern and the Overground. It was built in 1865 as part of the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway. The Stations is managed by Southern (as seen in the picture above).

    Streatham
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    The Southbound Platforms of Streatham
    Streatham is a Station managed by Southern and is served by Thameslink and of course, Southern. The Station opened in 1868.


    Crystal Palace Line Stations

    Beckenham Junction
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    The Platforms of Beckenham Junction
    Beckenham Junction is a Terminus for Southern Services to London Bridge and London Victoria as well as Southeastern Services. The Station opened in 1857 as a Terminus Station and is managed by Southeastern.

    Crystal Palace
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    Class 377301 at Crystal Palace
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    Class 378231 and 377152 stopping at Crystal Palace

    Crystal Palace opened in 1854 and has 6 Platforms and is served by Southern and the Overground.

    Services
    Now the Services are quite complicated but here could be an example of what Services could run on this Network.
    Bold = On this Route/Network
    Italic = Not on this Route/Network

    London Victoria to West Croydon via Gipsy Hill
    Calling at: Battersea Park, Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Common, Balham, Streatham Hill, West Norwood, Gipsy Hill, Crystal Palace, Norwood Junction
    (2tph) [Class 377]

    London Victoria to London Bridge via Gipsy Hill and Sydenham
    Calling at: Battersea Park, Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Common, Balham, Streatham Hill, West Norwood, Gipsy Hill, Crystal Palace, New Cross Gate, Brockley, Honor Oak Park, Forest Hill, Sydenham, Crystal Palace
    (2tph) [Class 377]

    London Victoria to Sutton via Norbury
    Calling at: Battersea Park, Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Common, Balham, Streatham Common, Norbury, Thornton Heath, Selhurst, West Croydon, Waddon, Wallington and Carshalton Beeches

    2tph extended to/from Epsom Downs, calling at Belmont and Banstead
    (4tph) [Class 377 or 455]

    London Bridge to Caterham and Tattenham Corner
    Calling at: East Croydon,
    South Croydon, Purley Oaks, Purley
    Caterham Portion: Kenley, Whyteleafe, Whyteleafe South
    Tattenham Corner Portion: Reedham, Coulsdon Town, Woodmansterne, Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth

    (2tph) [Class 377]

    London Bridge to Caterham via Sydenham
    Calling at: New Cross Gate, Brockley, Honor Oak Park, Forest Hill, Sydenham, Penge West, Anerley, Norwood Junction, East Croydon, South Croydon, Purley Oaks, Purley, Reedham
    (2tph) [Class 455]

    London Bridge to Beckenham Junction via Peckham Rye
    Calling at: South Bermondsey, Queens Road Peckham, Peckham Rye, East Dulwich, North Dulwich, Tulse Hill, West Norwood, Gipsy Hill, Crystal Palace, Birkbeck
    (2tph) [Class 377 or 455]

    Rolling Stock

    Class 377
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    Class 377106 at West Croydon
    Of course we can't forget the Class 377 since it's also used for Services along the London Bridge Line that link up with the BML. Atleast try to add the 377/1 or the 377/3 Units. That would give a more Varity of Electrostars, unlike a Class 377/4 and a 375/9
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    A Diagram of a Class 377/3

    Class 455/8
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    Class 455816 at Clapham Junction

    The Class 455 was built by BREL in York and put in service in 1983 and is Still in Operation on this Day. The Class 455 was built for the Old British Rail, NSE, Connex, SWT (SWR) and Southern. The SWT 455's are planned to be replaced by the new Class 701's once they are put in Service.

    Class 378
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    Class 378155 at Wandsworth Road
    The Class 378 is a EMU built by Bombardier as part of the Electrostar and Capitalstar Family for the London Overground. It operates across the entirety of the Overground Network. The Class 378 can run between New Cross Gate and West Croydon.


    Joint Routes
    For Joint Routes, this Route can connect up with the Following Routes:
    Conclusion
    This is the End of the Suggestion. Some people might notice that i copied some stuff from my "Removed" Extension to London Bridge for the BML Suggestion. Feel free to write comments down.
     
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  2. cloudyskies21

    cloudyskies21 Well-Known Member

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    Now this would be my most requested route once Brighton Main Line releases. It's got a mixture of everything, busy routes, varied rolling stock and can benefit other routes regarding layers. All-in-all a fantastic suggestion!
     
  3. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    Any chance of adding a map highlighting what’s included. I can’t quite get my head around it from the descriptions.
     
  4. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, give me a moment.
     
  5. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    I have now added a Map. I hope this helps you.
     
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    Perfect, cheers.
     
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  7. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    Lots of routes and services to pick from. These lines are a veritable spiders web of possibilities.
     
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  8. synthetic.angel

    synthetic.angel Well-Known Member

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    South London Network in TS2012 is a phenomenal network route with about ten end-to-end routes.... and bringing it to TSW would be very very nice..... I would say it would almost be a dream,, but I have to say.... having the network in TS2012, merged with the Brighton route, and various other SE routes.... and dozens of rolling stock options........ is already pretty good.... ;-)

    I would hope that a TSW version would include both inner and outer LB-LV loops, plus the two Croydon branches (as far as East and West Croydon would be fine by me) from both LB and LV.... so, "only" six routes.... with Selhurst and Stewarts Lane......;-)

    Oh.... and how about a Class 73 and a Class 33 in Dutch.........? And don't the 456s still run the outer loop...?
     
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  9. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea and this is basically a Sister game train simulator 21 route for TSW2. If you're at Beckenham Junction you should find SEHS Class 375 & 465s go there. Long-range plans for South London Network is the Branch to Beckenham Junction linking with Southeast high speed to form Chatham Main Line
     
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  10. creeperblox2710

    creeperblox2710 Well-Known Member

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    The Class 456s have been put out of service
     
  11. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    SLN in TS2012 is severely hampered by the fact it doesn't include Lewisham, where almost all of the freight from the line routes through (and onto either Hither Green for the Kent Mainlines or out towards Dartford for Angerstein Wharf and Cliffe / Hoo Junction)
    Fine for passengers, naff for almost anything else
     
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  12. Tay95

    Tay95 Well-Known Member

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    Second favourite after London to Brighton
     
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