Today I'm requesting the Southeastern Main line/and part of the Chatham main line. Now I know, not another Third rail London route. It has been a while since we had a third rail route and I think this has the potential to be the best yet. The Southeastern Mainline/Chatham main line with all AI traffic, would be the busiest in TSW. This route would have 34 stations. Would include Grove park Sidings Depot, Orpington carriage sidings, This route would be a dream come true or a nightmare for Joe with the amount of services he would have to build estimated times and distances Total route length is about 56 miles Charing Cross to Sevenoaks is 22 miles and would take about an hour Cannon street to Orpington is about 12 miles takes about 41 minutes London Victoria to Orpington is 15 miles and takes about 40 minutes London Victoria to Rochester is 33 miles and takes about 1 hour Charing Cross to Rochester is 31 miles and takes about 1 hour 10 minutes Stations: SEML - London Charing Cross - Waterloo East - London Cannon Street - London Bridge - New Cross - St Johns - Lewisham - Hither Green - Grove Park - Elmstead Woods - Chislehurst - Petts Wood - Orpington - Chelsfield - Knockholt - Dunton Green - Sevenoaks Stations: Chatham main line - London Victoria - Brixton - Herne Hill - West Dulwich - Syderham Hill - Penge East - Kent House - Beckenham Juction - Shortlands - Bromley South - Bickley - St Mary's Cray - Swanley - Farmingham road - Longfield - Meopham -Sole street -Rochester Here's how the service pattern would like and the times are per hour: - Victoria to Orpington 2X complete route - Victoria to Dover 1x to playable to Rochester - Victoria to Ramsgate 1X playable to Rochester - Victoria to Gillingham 1x AI only since it goes via Denmark hill - Victoria to Ashford International 1X playable to Swanley - Victoria to Dartford 2x AI only via Denmark hill - Cannon street to Orpington 2X complete route - Cannon street to Cannon street 4X. to (2X playable to London Bridge, (2X playable to Lewisham) -Cannon street to Gravesend 2X playable to Lewisham -Charing Cross to Hayes 4X ( 2x Playable to London Bridge, 2X playable to Lewisham) -Charing Cross to Sevenoaks 2X complete route -Charing Cross to Dartford 4X playable to Hither green -Charing Cross to Maidstone east 1X playable to Swanley -Charing Cross to Ashford International 2X Playable to Sevenoaks - Charing Cross to Hastings 2x playable to Sevenoaks -Charing Cross to Dover 1X (playable to Rochester) -Charing Cross to Ramsgate 1X (playable to Rochester) Looking at 1,160 playable services. I didn't include any peak services so the numbers playable services would go up. This route would have a mix of short to medium services with lots of different trains. Most trains are already available with the exception of the 376 and 707. If we had to choice one, then let's go with the 707. Southeastern Stock trains 375 377 (southern) 465 395 AI train at Rochester Introduce the 376 and 707 Layers Southern 377, Thameslink 707/0,700/1 AI looking at over 1,260 services from Victoria AI looking at over 670+ services from Blackfriars from Thameslink. London Bridge would be the busiest rail station on TSW looking at on average 80 trains an hour,peaking to almost 100 trains an hour during peak AI trains would include Southern (26 trains and hour), Thameslink (20 trains an hour), and mostly playable Southeastern with 50 trains an hour) We would also see Southern AI trains at Beckenham Junction Thameslink AI would be seen around Between Shortlands, Orpington, Swanley, and Sevenoaks Freight would also have plenty of services. I was inspired to suggest this incredible route by the TSC Niklas free workshop route that he created. I would consider it one of the best routes out there. As I mentioned before , I know some in the community are hesitant to add any more third rail routes. I think this DLC would provide many types of different services that players would enjoy, short and long passengers services. I tried to keep it realistic to TSW 3 standards. SEML route goes through many dense parts of London and especially one of the busiest train station in London, London Bridge. It would be a site just to watch trains go in out of that station. DTG has all the licensing needed, Southern, Southeastern, and Thameslink SEML is a route that is missing on TSC and TSW. I believe it would be one well received by the community. There are many different amount of services this route provides .You can do All stopping service on a 465, from Victoria to Orpington The 376,465,707 from Cannon Street to Orpington/Sevenoaks, Or fast services from Victoria towards Ramsgate/Dover and Charing Cross with the 375 and 377. Please let me know what you think. This DLC would mostly have a reduce timetable for Gen 8 and Xbox S . View attachment 122610 View attachment 122434 Charing Cross Station London Bridge station Canno Street station
It doesn’t really matter if a route is third rail or in London, if it’s a good route it’s a good route. This looks like an interesting proposition, I just fear all the constant calls for it to extend and merge with the nearby routes after it releases. That doesn’t matter though. This would indeed be a complex route to make and something that could keep Joe busy for months but it would be a good route for the players.
I had to make a decision of either taking out the Chatham mainline (13 stations, 15 miles) and extending the Southeastern mainline to Strood, Tonbridge and Ashford international. Would add another 32 miles and 8 stations and around 45 minutes to the trip to the Southeastern main line. I figured 45 minutes trip would be too long for the average player and not sure if the amount of services you would be getting worth giving up on the amount of services you get with the Chatham main line.
Hey Joethefish wanted to get your take on this to see if this route with this many services would be even possible to make. Not sure the amount of trains would be spawned and what the max is. If not I would revise the route suggestion and make it more manageable
Great suggestion purely for selfish reasons as I get two of my local stations in the game on the Chatham Main Line
Oh I drive this route all the time in TS1! I don't know how many services it would be, probably a lot but London to Brighton's timetable showed me that the limit, if it exists at all, is quite high .
Thanks Joe. Here's the map layout. It has enough room for tracks to show AI trains going in and out of portals. The more I look at the potential of this route the more time excited I get.
Is it okay if I suggest some scenarios here? I'll just give you five ideas here that can be used. 1. London Bridge is Falling Behind Drive a rush hour Class 465 from Charing Cross to Ramsgate as far as Sevenoaks, where another driver will take over. Keep in mind that you may have to wait for a couple of trains around London Bridge, which will delay your train. Try and stay as on time as possible. 2. I Crossed The Line During a heavy storm, drive a late night Class 465 from Sevenoaks that's being diverted to Cannon Street after a tree fell on the tracks near Beckenham Junction and the line via Denmark Hill is closed due to of engineering works. Keep in mind other services are being diverted to Charing Cross and Cannon Street, so you may experience delays by Cannon Street. 3. The Metro Run Drive a Class 376 from London Bridge to Cannon Street, and then back down to Orpington. That's it, simple. 4. Testing, Testing, 707 As this new train is entering service soon, final preparations are being made including a full service test. Start at London Victoria and head down to Orpington, stopping at all stations. Next, head back up to Charing Cross, also stopping at all stations. 5. To The Capital In the early morning hours during winter, drive a Class 375 from Swanley over to London Victoria, stopping at only St Mary Cray and Bromley South.
What about extending the route to Rochester to link up to SEHS? Not talking about a merge though or anything like that.
Hey Ewan. Great suggestion!!. So I'll be honest If it was up to be I'll have the entire Chatham line to (Dover and Ramsgate).But I wanted to be taken serious and thought it might not be possible. Extending this would add another 15 miles and 5 stations, but since Rochester is already in the game I won't count it against it. Also some of the scenery around the strood area is also in game. With the added 15 miles and 5 stations it would make the route a total 56 mile route with 34 stations .I did consider it early on and really thought about adding it so with that said let's do it. Looking at the playable services count doesn't change since all we're doing is extending the services from Victoria and Charing cross to Rochester. It will however add many AI services that come from the Medway Valley, High speed line, and north Kent line at Rochester. But yes, I agree. Let's be positive and look for it that with the core update that we hopefully This route would be possible. Once I get time I'll update the the suggestion with the Chatham line extended to Rochester. I marked the added track from Swanley to Rocherster in red below
I did a couple more runs on SEML on TSC and honestly have to say is one of my favorites routes. I just wish there were more scenarios available. I'm still looking at the complete route and might make some adjustments to the suggestion. In the meantime here are a couple of screens shots London Bridge station heading down on the SEML Herne Hill station on Chatham main line Shortlands Station on Chatham mainline Cannon street station Heading towards London bridge station on the SEML
Is this the TSC London Victoria to Faversham remade for TSW3? If Yes Phase 3 is Faversham to Margate and Dover. Phase 4 Ashford International Channel Tunnel Tunnel sous la Manche Lille Europe
Is actually a workshop route made by Niklas one of the best routes in TSC. I played it nonstop. He did an amazing job.
Thanks for telling me and from what I can see is that in TSC you can go Rahway/Bay Head to New Haven, CT in a single run. For that to work you need the same common origin otherwise there will be a scenario to which you cannot merge a route together. In TSC you cannot merge New Haven line with Northeast Corridor Philadelphia New York
yea Those you mentioned are Danny's route merge. They are some talented devs out there. The route below is the entire workshop route and has all the route used to make and the parts he did.
In game I can see this being marketed as the United Kingdom standard edition route the Southeastern Network. Germany still retains Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Würzburg Kassel Wilhelmshöhe Würzburg Hbf segment. US still gets Cajon Pass. Provide the developers want that option
I believe Matt P ruled out in another thread any further expansion or development around the SEHS area.
No it would be digging further on the already dug and cemented SEHS hole. I tried to resist saying anything but here I go: We already have more than enough SE modern Electrostar based commuter routes, especially when you look at the gaps elsewhere. A whole region of BR has no routes in it, whole decades aren't represented and even types of services are missing. I think DTG need to continue the halt of modern se 3rd rail routes for at least another year so that other areas, eras, and operations can be represented.
Is all good. You know that it take a long time, probably take years to make a route from a suggestion. So by no means was this meant for this year. So a year you say ,that’s good for me. As far as SEHS, to me that’s what that route is ,high speed route that happens to have a small section from southeastern Chatham main line and North Kent line. It doesn’t even have one complete run on,except for the faversham to St Pancras.on the 395 . I would had rather for them had started the route from either London Cannon/Charing Cross to make up the SEML or Victoria for the Chatham main line. That was the reason that I made the suggestion. But anyways we all know that this won’t be happening. I’m glad I have SEML on TSC and for me is one of the best routes out there. Would had love to see it on a future TSW. I’ll probably make some changes to the suggestion to better fit the SEML route and make it more probable to make it. I don’t see DTG ever make two main lines in one DLC.
So on the next possibility which I think might fit better and would separate the SEML and the Chatam main line. On this suggestion We would have the SEML to Ashford International, the complete Hayes line, The Hastings line to Tonbridge 34 stations,58 miles. Diagram below only goes to Paddock wood Stations: SEML - London Charing Cross - Waterloo East - London Cannon Street - London Bridge - New Cross - St Johns - Lewisham - Hither Green - Grove Park - Elmstead Woods - Chislehurst - Petts Wood - Orpington - Chelsfield - Knockholt - Dunton Green - Sevenoaks - Hildenborough - Tonbridge - Paddock wood - Marden - Staplehurst - Headcorn - Pluckley - Ashford International Hayes line: - Ladywell - Catford Bridge - Lower Sydenham - New Beckenham - Clock house - Elmers end - Eden park - West Wickham - Hayes Cannon street to Orpington 2X complete route - Cannon street to Cannon street 4X. to (2X playable to London Bridge, (2X playable to Lewisham) -Cannon street to Gravesend 2X playable to Lewisham -Charing Cross to Hayes 4X ( complete run) -Charing Cross to Sevenoaks 2X complete route -Charing Cross to Dartford 4X playable to Hither green -Charing Cross to Ashford International 2X complete run (1 hour 20 minutes) - Charing Cross to Hastings 2x playable to Tonbridge
At London Bridge with all layers from southern, Southeastern, and Thameslink you are looking at 1,870 passing trains a day. compare to London Victoria's around 1,310
I love driving most of the trains on SEHS, so more routes to use them on would be great. Certainly prefer more modern routes to more older diesels most of the time.
I'd include the Bromley North branch line in this too. Couldn't be much extra work for 2 stations and could easily be used as a tutorial route, just like Southeastern uses it to train drivers in real life.
It would be great to have this route from London Bridge and Victoria. My local bias means I'd prefer a London commuter route north of the river this time rather than another Kent one in the short term. But this should certainly be in TSW, even better if it connected Dartford with London Bridge/Blackfriars too.
That's the TSC Workshop London Victoria/Charring Cross to Ramsgate via Faversham route. Basically you want DTG to recreate that. That also means Linke Rheinstrecke Koblenz Bingen Mainz Frankfurt am Main Hbf to Offenburg/Straßburg Hbf Strasbourg Ville.
I've got all of the merges and also the excellent South East London workshop route too but I wasn't specially thinking of those, I was just suggesting that DTG link-up what they have already made between Dartford/Rochester and Faversham with London Bridge and the already in-game Victoria. It could be done without any extra stock, a 707 could be crafted out of the existing 700 model too.
I can't lie the SEHS was definitely lacking a bit, we could atleast have the whole loop around Dover and to Maidstone.
