Steam Safeties?

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by coursetim, Sep 5, 2025 at 7:39 PM.

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  1. Yes - All Locomotives

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  2. Yes - Just the 4F and FS

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  3. No - Leave them alone

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  1. coursetim

    coursetim Well-Known Member

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    Hey all,
    I know steam development isn't going anywhere officially. But I just wanted to run an idea through the the forums and see everyone's take on it? More a quality of life/make do fix for now.

    I was wondering what the thoughts would be on tweaking the safeties on particularly the 4F and Flying Scotsman just so the maximum boiler pressure is lower than the safety limit to prevent the safeties from going off? Because those locomotives seem to have infinite boiler pressure due to the physics.

    The 4F especially has a great soundset at lower WSR speeds and I feel like both that and the FS would be much more drivable without the safeties blaring constantly. There's a great goods train on WSR for the 4F but the whole way the safeties are just constant and it does ruin the experience for me.

    I know the 8F and Jubilee are a bit more drivable in that sense and you can stop the safeties blaring but on the 4F and FS this just doesn't seem to be an option no matter how poorly you drive.

    I feel like this small change would add a little more usability to both locomotives and make them a little more bearable. :) I can't imagine it would be a massive fix that would take weeks of Dev time but happy for anyone from DTG to correct me on that :)
     
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    ididntdoit Well-Known Member

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    I can't hear the safety at speed so it doesn't bother me. And most steam railways I have been to you often hear the safety blowing off steam when the engine is idle. So for me that aspect of it is realistic.

    And we use compressed air at work so hissing, although rather annoying for the first few years. Is like second nature to me now.
     
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  3. coursetim

    coursetim Well-Known Member

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    I know you do hear it at heritage places that is very true. Appreciate the reply! Be interesting to see if that's similar to others experience :)

    I think for me personally it ruins the slow speed stuff a little and especially when you're using photo mode. Would be nice to just hear the running sounds of the 4F without that going off :)
     
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    I think it should certainly be capped when the loco is running, even in light steam though without knowing what algorithms DTG used in the flawed Simugraph setup we don't even know whether the fundamentals of steam production and use are that closely modelled. The 4F by far the worst example.
     
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  5. coursetim

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    I remember Matt saying when steam first released that they didn't want to cap the boiler pressure in that way for the 8F and Jubilee because it made for a challenge to prevent the safeties going off. And on those locomotives you can somewhat control it. But I think the 4F is the worst offender as I said because you really can't do that. :)
     
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