PIS often doesn’t work, they also input various off world destinations, as far as I can see it’s not a leak.
Sadly dtg confirmed this a while ago that it is not a leak. Sorry. I hate being the guy to tell you this. Sorry.
All train PIS have off world destinations. Doesn't mean any of them are coming to TSw, its just a factor for more realism.
And the evidence for this is where exactly? It's been discussed for several years on this forum, so long ago that when it was first a rumour I was a frequent player of TSW. The only 'evidence' I've ever seen talked about is West Cornwall Local having a Regional Railways 150 rather than a GWR one, which doesn't prove much at all.
As far as I'm aware it formed entirely out of the Regional Railways 150. From what I've seen, neither DTG nor Rivet have ever confirmed they have 'lost' the GWR license - if they had, Great Western Express would have been withdrawn years ago as it would likely come under the same agreement. There were also rumours that DB had banned DTG from ever releasing a diesel DB-branded train as it did not line up with their green policy, or so the rumour said. A year or two later and we got the DB-branded Vossloh G6 and the Ramp.
I see that it can have formed from that but don’t see any logic in it, I don’t think I’ve seen rivet ever confirm they tried to do GWR, assuming it could even be true and going by how GWR don’t allow First licence usage, it wouldn't be a surprise to find that they blocked their brand on a 150 cause it’s an older unit tbh. I asked on the Q&A stream about if the “GWR licence has changed recently” or “no news” and a mod response was “no news”
While the odd time-warp state of the 150 could suggest they made an attempt at having it in modern condition, that's obviously discounting the other possible cause which is that they just didn't do research properly. At best, the GWE license rumour could be nothing more than DTG asking First to change the license to allow them to add the 150, which they could have said no to. GWE features FGW branding in many places alongside GWR branding and liveries. If they had genuinely lost the license, the content would have been pulled, which is what happened with Arriva Trains Wales, CrossCountry and Virgin Trains in TS, and they made it very clear that licensing was the reason. This has not happened in TSW at any point. Often mentioned is the NSE 483 on the route set before SWR took over - this doesn't strike me as a licensing issue, as the livery SWT used on them at the time was a fully unbranded LT red colour scheme. DTG has a South West Trains license, and even if they didn't SWT never owned the colour scheme as they didn't create it, which means the livery is effectively free to use. Again, this is likely a case of Rivet either changing their minds later on in development or not bothering to do the proper research to have it properly set in the 90s.
I think the evidence is more that First Group have went totally absent from TSW. The only DLCs set with First Group operators are Great Western Express (GWR) and Cathcart Circle (First ScotRail) Even then, Cathcart doesn't feature any First branding or symbolism, so it doesn't count. Since GWE, we've had nothing. Avanti's logo is in livery designer, but Avanti isn't entirely First Group, and it's still not appeared beyond that. The main evidence that First have stopped entertaining Dovetail came with Island Line 2022. SWR was the only option for the livery - no license was allowed - so it went fictional.
When a license is lost they'll only pull it down if the TOC explicitly demands it (like Virgin or CrossCountry did with TSC) - it's not a guaranteed event.
They haven't released routes for many operators for a long time, and that doesn't mean they've lost the license for it. Plus, the ScotRail brand is owned by the Scottish government and not First. The Saltire livery is entirely owned by the Scottish government as well. Few First logos were applied to the trains anyway. The lack of First logos isn't really proof either for the loss of the First license, as while the route may have been based on what it was like in 2014 (although DTG's track record with a consistent era for a route is not great, RSN included places that had been closed or destroyed for years before the route was set) it was never marketed as being set back then, and the train is likely based on its modern condition anyway. Again, I'm not convinced that any of this is proof.
They would be mad doing any Wales routes. They won't sell. WCML and ECML first. GEML as well. Western Lines of Scotland.
Not true at all - they made two Welsh routes for TS, both with extensions released later on, and both we were rereleased because of high demand (especially North Wales Coastal) after being withdrawn due to licensing issues.
Yes, but: I'm more than aware - I've argued this exact point to dozens of people on here. I even made an indirect reference above, also disqualifying it from the list of First TOCs in TSW I provided. Most Class 314s - bar one or two, had First ScotRail logos on the doors (in the case of Saltire-livery units), or on the front (in the SPT cases - but we don't have them.) It was mentioned in official channels (even on recent streams) as such. It was frequently said that it was, to paraphrase, "First ScotRail, without the First". The trains had been retired for two years by the time GCC had released. Again, Island Line 2022.
Not sure about that, plenty have asked or proposed Welsh routes. I would certainly buy one. Quite, as the route is set before the section near Burngullow was re-doubled in 2004 i.e. before GWR was formed.
This is the first I'm hearing that Cathcart is set in the FSR days. Also I believe they explicitly mentioned licensing as a reason WCL ended up being a 90s route.
Cathcart is set in that period but they specifically made it so the logos were not on the trains/map so they did not get into bother for licencing.
It could also just simply be that a subsidiary brand aren't interested. Similar cases are common in other games, in ETS2 for example, the VW group own both MAN and Scania. Scania are very welcoming and open with their brand and (official in-game) aftermarket mods, while MAN are much less willing to partake, having no dlc packs at all. And then you have Iveco who havn't been involved since giving their branding, over Renault and DAF who are activelg involved and have launched some of their new IRL truck designs through ETS before the realworld reveal It could just be a case of GWR still offer the licence, but a subsidiary TOC aren't as interested.
Well yeah. TS1's had many First Great Western DLCs, but First TransPennine Express have been notoriously difficult - why do you think Leeds-Manchester and Liverpool-Manchester are both set in present day but feature 90s rolling stock?
Oh god I hope not, steam needs some serious work. Routes like SoS and PFR need to be padded out more first.
Scania trucks are the ones you see many driving on YouTube or whatnot. Whilst that could be down to the wider availablity of Scania DLC - Scania seems to the popular one. I blame Squirrel.
How on earth did we go to a potential TMS leak that turned out to be fake, to trucks, scainias and squirell?? XD
I love all the statements being spouted as absolute ‘fact’ when not a single one of you has anything at all to back it up, let alone any actual insider knowledge. This is exactly how fake news starts…
Completely off topic now Scania are quite popular, which I get. They are nice trucks. But I do like my MAN TGX No idea, but I mean, I'm here for it
the class 377 on bml also has options for Reading, twyford and maidenhead on the PIS yet neither the 377 or 801 run on the GWML GWR only has 800s and 802s, and the electrostar services are operated by a bunch of 387s not 377s its odd, and i wonder whether its like that in real life
Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead all appear in the BML Station Directory (for the 166/HST services, I would think?), and as a result appear on the 377's PIS selector, as it takes them straight from it.
