The München Challenge

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  1. Daytona

    Daytona Active Member

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    The München Challenge
    "In the previous challenge, Sam won both legs on the Bakerloo Line. The prize was to decide which route and train would be used for the next contest. He's opted for Hauptstrecke München - Augsburg in the DB BR 423 with sifa and PZB enabled. The objective? Complete the S3 08:22 München Ost service with the highest score possible."

    Sam (Yonder Colonel) -
    12713 AP
    34:29
    2 PZB trips from ~40kph

    Excellent stream and concept. Once you understand the basics, challenges against the route, timetable & locos teach you soo much.

    Has anyone else tried it ?
     
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  2. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    His first trigger was acknowledging a magnet (speed reduction to 60) too soon before he even went past it. This then put him in the restrictive monitoring and the second trip actually was going over 45.
     
  3. joulz75

    joulz75 Active Member

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    I just did :) with pzb and sifa of course.

    It would be very cool to organize such competitions weekly or monthly and make ranking !
     

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  4. Cramnor

    Cramnor Well-Known Member

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    I did it together with Sam when he was streaming, was nice to "challenge" him life :) I scored 13.586, although some of the stopping markers should be moved to make more sense :) Let's see how the others of the team will do, I really hope someone else takes the cup this time :)
     
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  5. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Community Manager Staff Member

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    If Sam isn't the winner this time who do you think will claim the victory medal?
    (We are going to create a scoreboard so you can keep track of how we are all doing)
     
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  6. Mat_Jam_Ca

    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    I think Matt might pop him to the post this time.
     
  7. Cramnor

    Cramnor Well-Known Member

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    Sorry DTG Natster but I think PZB is quite a challenge (especially when never used before), and Matt has the best chances purely because of this. :P But then, Sam managed with only 2 emergency brake applications, which I would never have imagined, so maybe there is a surprise just around the corner :)
     
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  8. 7orenz

    7orenz Well-Known Member

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    My first attempt after about 2 months far from S3 services.
    0 Lzb/Pbz faults but about 3 mins of delay at the final stop (cause excess of prudency) :D
    Silver medal
     

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  9. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    I guess this challenge is deep within Matt's territory, so he's most likely to win. That being said with some training, a couple of tricks and especially getting the braking absolutely spot on you can beat him!
     
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  10. Daytona

    Daytona Active Member

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    The person who diligently works out the minimum braking distance to stop at the exact spot and comply with speed reductions ;) ...which will vary with the gradient. So for a fair comparison, really need to note the time people have spent experimenting on the 423 and the route.

    These challenges are an interesting way to find issues with the achievement points calculations. For a start, the brutal acceleration and deceleration required should be penalised with reference to the g-force (ie passenger comfort). Perhaps it can all be crystallised within the timetable time - too early being penalised just as much as too late?
     
  11. Cramnor

    Cramnor Well-Known Member

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    While I agree that the system should be overhauled, by no way should it go towards a system like in TS, that just absolutely ruins it. While I am one that plays it more like a simulation than a game and don't care too much about the points, remembering the old days from TS it was so frustrating with how the system penalized. But this should be seperate discussion and does not belong here :)
     
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  12. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Community Manager Staff Member

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    My money is also on Matt to win this time.
     
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    Alex_m30x#7297 Well-Known Member

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    not trusting your self?, why im sure last thursday wont happen again cough over shoot :P
     
  14. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    Don't give it to him that easily :D You're a community manager, the community is here to help. :D
     
  15. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Community Manager Staff Member

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    I won't be giving up without a fight, I can assure you of that.
     
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  16. xblackwolf90

    xblackwolf90 Well-Known Member

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    +1 for Matt if he sticks to the timetable! But, my money was on Matt last time, so we could end up with a surprise victory for Sam again.
     
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  17. DTG Protagonist

    DTG Protagonist Dovetail Special Projects Staff Member

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    Braking point is everything on this run. My rookie experience with PZB held me back, but I still lost around 2 minutes in braking earlier than needed. Based on the community scores I've seen there's 2,000 or more points up for grabs simply by being closer to the schedule.
     
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  18. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    Theoretically if you want to win dirty, take a look in the setting, there should be a key bind for "straight to emergency brake". You could then test how long it takes from which speed and with the exact distance left to the marker go from full track speed to precise stop. It's set for clear spring, so you shouldn't slip, there's no penalty for that and it would be absolutely the fastest way to stop.
     
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    7orenz Well-Known Member

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    3rd attempt slightly better. But still 1 mins of delay. A trick, dont start to braking before the 700~600 meters from the stop.
    Train Sim World 2® 2021-02-09 13-24-02.png Train Sim World 2® 2021-02-09 13-24-17.png

    I can do better ;)
     
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  20. xblackwolf90

    xblackwolf90 Well-Known Member

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    I had a go at this today and managed 13,796. I kept to the timetable but a couple of minor overshoots will have knocked the score a little.

    I always enjoy TSW, but having a target score added an extra element in. Seeing how long you dare hold out to keep to the timetable with the dreadful brakes on the 423 is a bit nerve racking!

    I look forward to more of these in the future :)

    My attempt: click me

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  21. JustWentSouth

    JustWentSouth Well-Known Member

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    This is fun. With two attempts, I peaked out here:
    HMA Challenge.jpg
    I really admire the crew going live online and attempting this challenging drive, all while dealing with the chat.
     
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  22. 7orenz

    7orenz Well-Known Member

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    To increase the experience I suggest to remove all the track assist/markers from the next challenge.
    Note: And also the HUD, if only DTG give us the Command Promp on screen and the Pointer in the middle of the screen (for people that play with the Joypad but like to remove the HUD).
     
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  23. ghall59

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    I attempted this run with raildriver and the signal display/distance removed from the top right corner. PZB & SIFA enabled of course...
    Scored 12,768

    Graham
     
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  24. Rudolf

    Rudolf Well-Known Member

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    It's a combination of experience and talent I guess. I have seen Dutch train drives making a complete mess from a stop, but for years when I was travelling every day I usually could predict the position of the train doors at 2 meter accuracy. Which is very helpful if you want to conquer a seat.
     
  25. stijn.claessens

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    Is Sam banned from annoying Matt in the chat while he does his run?
     
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