The Venosta Valley Railway

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  1. mattiavice04

    mattiavice04 New Member

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    The Venosta Valley railway is an Italian line that goes from Merano to Malles Venosta, the works for the line began in the early 1900s when the Alto Adige region was Austrian territory, the railway was then completed in 1910.
    The railway has a single track and runs for a total of 60 km of non-electrified tracks, with a travel time ranging from 1 hour to 1 hour and a half depending on the service.
    The diesel trains in service on the line are the Atr. 100 trains operated by SAD (transport company of the autonomous province of Bolzano).
    The line from the landscape point of view offers a breathtaking scenery, the track from start to finish makes a climb of quai 600 meters above sea level through the magnificent scenery of the Dolomites in the Italian Alps on the border with Austria and Switzerland.
    Furthermore, having been the Austrian line for many years and after the First Italian World War, it offers a great architectural diversity among the stations, some are in Austrian style, others were built during the Italian period.
    In short, I hope you like this idea!
    With the hope that sooner or later we will be given an Italian route as a gift.
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  2. MetrolinkF125#916

    MetrolinkF125#916 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, this is a fantastic route! Single track running eh, that sound very interesting, since you’ll have to wait for trains at sidings. Overall the trains there are very interesting too, is there any possibility for loco dlc for this route if it gets into TSW?
     
  3. mattiavice04

    mattiavice04 New Member

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    yes, for loco dlc there could be 3 possibilities.
    1. Historically some old Italian diesel trains operated on the line, namely the ALN 668 (first photo).
    2. Near the Lasa station there is an important marble quarry, sometimes a freight train driven by this diesel locomotive operates on the line (second photo).
    3. Lastly, instead, an entire train could be added instead of a single locomotive, because in recent years work has begun to electrify the line and up to the halfway point (Silandro station) the ETR 170 train operates (third photo). 19890525-ALn668_1711_Lasa_AlessandroMuratori.jpg d141-1004-venosta.jpg 20190301_142551.jpg
     
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  4. mattiavice04

    mattiavice04 New Member

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    for the loco dlc look at the answer I wrote earlier, I forgot to add the line map 800px-mappa_ferrovia_merano-malles.png
     
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  5. MetrolinkF125#916

    MetrolinkF125#916 Well-Known Member

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    Oh nice, this route is a really interesting route with lots of possibilities, hopefully DTG notices this and decides to make this route, or maybe a third party specializing in Italian rail would make this route.:)
     
  6. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea for putting in an Italian railway route. Speaking of the Train protection system does BACC SCMT RS4 used on trains operating on this line operate like the US Canada Alerter ACES ATC UK AWS TPWS except for HS1 which uses French KVB & TVM-430 systems. Lastly, the German Sifa PZB & LZB train protection systems used on Main Spessart Bahn SKA, Rhine Sieg Nord Rhine Ruhr Osten HMA Hanseatic Main Line Hamburg-Lubeck, HRR & Rapid Transit Leipzig area. If the Italian train safety systems operate like UK North America Germany and France no introduction is needed. Otherwise, a tutorial is required for Italian train safety systems.
     
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  7. mattiavice04

    mattiavice04 New Member

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    In Italy we have as security systems the SCMT-ECM, the ETCS, the CCS, and the vigilante device (similar to the German sifa), the latter, however, unlike many countries in the world, is not mandatory, at the beginning of 2000 This safety system was introduced which required the driver to keep a pedal pressed for the entire journey, but immediately shortcuts were found to avoid it, so much so that the drivers often put a weight on the pedal to remedy the problem, in 2006 it was then inserted a system that provides for the crushing of the pedal every minute in the absence of movements of the driver, but this also led to clashes with the unions of train drivers who complained about this measure that greatly increases the stress of the driver, for just under 10 years The SCMT system was then installed which automatically controls the presence of the driver, since then the surveillance system has been made optional and practically no one uses it.
     
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  8. FD1003

    FD1003 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what this line in particular uses.

    The most widely used systems are SCMT and RSC, so I would guess that is the case here.

    SCMT is similar to PZB, but it has a completely different human-machine interface, and also makes sure the train respects the line speed limit and simply works in the background, you don't have to interact with it unless you need to release the brakes from an emergency brake application, unlike PZB which requires you to acknowledge the signals and release from the restricted state. SCMT simply calculates the max speed and needed braking curve to safely drive the train according to the max speed of the train, signals and max speed of the line (maybe in that sense is more similar to ATC/ACSES).

    RSC (which works using BAcc) is more similar to LZB, in the sense that is contious, on the SCMT screen you get various codes which correspond to the aspect of the signal in front of the train (in real time) and based on what signal you have in front of you different speed limits apply, note this system doesn't provide automatic train driving like LZB.

    Anyway we would need to learn a different system.

    If Mattia has something to add or correct feel free to do so
     
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  9. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for telling me about this because when I play in game I'm only familiar to German North America and UK train signaling system
     
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  10. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Stunning route, gets my vote and would be sufficiently different from what we have already.
     
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