Tip In Game About Platform Speed

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  1. trpted

    trpted Active Member

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    It says

    #1 Since not everyone uses mph, it should also say the speed in kph. ex 30mph (48.2802kph), just like some of the Training and Scenarios have.

    #2 I thought the number was lower 25mph (Google or otherwise says 40.2335).

    #3 Please tell me if that is in general or if stopping at that platform. Between the two, I am guessing if stopping at that platform since I saw at least one video of train passing by a platform and there is no way that train was (or trains were) going that slow and that/those video(s) is/was not any runway train(s).

    Please and thank you
     
  2. Clumsy Pacer

    Clumsy Pacer Well-Known Member

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    2 - general practice is 30mph in the uk I think, lower at terminal platforms (depends on the company but I think usually 10-15, reducing to 5mph, one vehicle length from the stopping point sort of the buffers)

    3 - it only applies if stopping at the platform.
     
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  3. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    It depends on the train. With classic BR loco hauled stock I would not run into the platform at more than 15 MPH given the delay in the brakes biting (and releasing) and also not so easy to just trim the speed slightly.
     
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  4. aeronautic237

    aeronautic237 Well-Known Member

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    I started off by driving easy EMUs like the 72 stock, the Electrostar and the Talent 2. The 30mph rule applies quite comfortably in those situations. As you become more experienced and drive more complex trains you will learn the different braking points for each train so the 30mph rule becomes less relevant (especially when platforms have different lengths), but as a first start the 30mph rule provides a good place to start learning.
     
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  5. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    It's a modern UK commuter guideline... so it's in UK rail units.
    As with anything it's a "guideline" not a law so it does depend.on the situaiton, but nearly everything in game regularly used as a commuter train can stop if you're below 30mph.
    In Germany there's probably a 45k/h rule with some catchy way to remember it "Under 45 to stay alive" or something, (or the German equivalent) but I don't follow German train lore so don't know.

    I'm pretty sure any time now a German railfan will pop in and say something like "we have something like that here in Stuttgart."
    =-)
     
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  6. noir

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    It's one of many completely useless and overly generalised tips that were added in latest installment of the game. Just alongside many tips about controlling your console, that show on PC for some reason.

    Brake performance extremely varies among different trains, 30 mph (45 km/h) may be way too high with some trains and you will get penalized by safety system for too fast approach, while for long distance platforms in Germany that have 400+ meters, you can waltz in at over 100 km/h and still make a nice and comfortable stop.
     
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  7. ididntdoit

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    It depends on the train and conditions and is something that's a bit more complicated in tsw. For example most drivers in rl these days will generally drive the same stock, so a driver will be trained to drive a 375 for example and generally that's all they will drive. Different trains with different setup will require more training.
    Obviously in tsw your driving all different trains. Most modern trains have roughly the same brake timings but don't brake the same. Then there's gradients, going up a grade the train will slow faster and going down will take longer to slow down.
    Driving in the wet or snow and ice will increase braking distance.
    Stations with poor adhesion again will increase braking distance.
    Unless you are driving the same train all the time it's gonna be hard to remember how every train reacts!
    That's why the 30mph rule is a good starting point. Entering the platform at 30 you are generally going to be able to stop. Unless as mentioned above it's older trains with really slow brake timing. Like the class 20 for example where you apply the brakes at the handle and several seconds later the brakes actually start to apply.
     
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  8. oliver109

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    An electrostar can easily break from 45mph on a long platform like Polegate or Haywards heath.
     
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  9. LeadCatcher

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    i have to disagree with it being useless. Especially for those coming to the simulation with little or no experience with systems with lots of momentum. As a general guide, it gives the inexperienced a starting point to approach a stop. Then from that experience of stopping short or long, the driver can adjust accordingly.

    Of course in real life, a trainee would be under the tutelage of an experienced driver which would pass on the specific knowledge of the characteristics of the unit being driven, the effects of different track conditions and such as well as having documentation on brake performance, acceleration / deceleration curves. But absent that guided training and documentation, a general rule of thumb is a good way to start the learning process.
     
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  10. aroused by trains

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    The question to me is: How is the person with no experience going to be at 30mph at the start of the platform ;)
     
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  11. Crosstie

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    For large and terminal stations, the signal aspects and speed limits will slow you down gradually.
    For intermediate stations, 25mph when entering the station is a good rule of thumb. You may have to coast a little sometimes, especially with those overpowered and heavy breaking emus/dmus, but that's better than overshooting the stop.
     
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  12. aeronautic237

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    It provides a nice checkpoint. If you apply the brakes too hard or too early, you'll reach 30 before the platform so you know to coast. If this happens then you're still moving decently fast. If you apply the brakes too late or too gently, you'll reach the platform before you reach 30 so you know to apply full brakes. If you do reach the platform at 30mph, then you can apply something like a step 2 or 60% brake application and comfortably come to a stop.

    It's a lot easier to correct yourself if you're aiming for 30mph rather than 0mph.

    Through this trial and error you will quickly learn how the train behaves under braking.
     
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  13. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    It's a good rule of thumb. If it's true 90% of the time, then it's a good general suggestion for newbies. As people have said, it's very rare that you can't stop at under 30 mph hitting the platform. As for the rare "longer than usual platforms"... so what? It's still safe, even if you have to creep slowly to the real stop.
    What would the alternative be? Give no advice whatsoever and tell the newbie to just "do what you feel like" or "It all depends because it's complicated so you don't get any help"?
    If it works 90% of the time, it's good beginner advice.
     
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