Seeming as the route will be set in 2010, the most common locos where the 150/2 and the 150/1’s having a west Cornwall route in 2010 without a class 150/1 or 150/2 just feels barren and empty so I think we should all suggest the class 150/1 and 150/2 for the west Cornwall local, and the class 43 is an express train that stops at not all stations along the route: for example Hayle, without the HST in FGW livery the route just feels like there is something missing so here are the pictures of the locos I would like in this route I think the era of the route is definitely fair as it’s a mix of the classic first great western livery, which is still modern I think rivet games HAVE to include this, there is NO way rivet will miss the class 150 out in this route, the 43 is optional I think, but it will feel a bit empty without the 43 HST
The FGW HST does exist in game along with FGW Class 166 but is currently Unused in fact it has been sitting in the files of GWE since well GWE realeased for TSW:2020
Excellent idea what DTG & Rivet Games can do is reactivate the original assets they have for the first Great Western paint in GWML to this route. However First group will shut that down.
The only problem now given the route has changed era is that other vehicles from other routes can't substitute or add extra layers to the timetable. So this route might get quite repetitive only seeing say the Class 150 and HST all the time. There's not a lot of DLC potential for either, maybe the Class 153 but not much else.
I remember seeing that the reason they didn’t use FGW colours in GWE is because first changed the agreement and wouldn’t allow dovetail to use the old livery
The voyager will depend on the time period? Early 90's no, late 90's yes? Yes 43 and 15x will be a necessity in the time period.
Which is why I'm putting my bet on early nineties as it seems to be the most convenient era to produce. Unless they don't include XC services which isn't too major as there's only like one service every two hours if that.
I recon it will be the 90s as Sam I think said on a stream once that GWR wouldn't let them use the FGW livery for GWE
DTG used to have licensing for cross-country trains but after October 16th 2020 DTG ended the Cross Country license. Route is Actually made by Rivet Games and therefore have cross country license
Just because it isn't Dovetail making it doesn't mean Rivet have the license. As for people above saying it is the 90's over the FGW Western era, it's a matter of waiting. I think they may allow it. Maybe. After all the GWR Brand was quite new and they would have wanted it to be out there as this "wow look new train game what TOC is at the head of it all?" Idea. Just what I think. Plus FirstGroup operated the GreatWestern franchise from 1996 so it's not much to work with really.
Other way around, Arriva were not interested in renewing the agreement for brand licences*. New management and a lot of other issues (like Arriva being up for sale amid a restructuring both internally and at DB) probably mean it's not a priority for them
Remember, although it's being developed by Rivet, it is being published through Dovetail so branding licenses likely apply to both.
Thanks for the answer regarding Cross Country Arriva Deutsche Bahn licensing for TSW 2 & Train Sim 21 for Rivet Games and Dovetail Games
I don't see any point ruling out FGW for now. After all just today Train Simulator (Twitter) tweeted about a new Just Trains route featuring the HST (in the image) in FGW Livery (TS Classic btw). I think now that Great Western Railway's brand is now more well known, I think they may be more open to it. I guess it's up to Rivet and DTG (they are responsible for the game after all) to work out. Here's hoping!
They were due to end their contract as the Cross Country franchise operator in 2020 (but was then extended to 2022 at the last minute), and likely XC/Arriva/DB (whoever) went ahead and removed licensing agreements with 3rd parties using their brand (like DTG) before that date in preparation which for some weird reason don't like them selling (and promoting) their brand when they aren't (or at least were supposed to stop) operating services. I.e. XC don't like DTG making money from their branding when XC aren't operating the real thing (something like that). Although some other companies (like First Capital Connect) are happy for DTG to sell their "branding" still despite not existing anymore. That is using the European loco and asset pack which is separate so they can probably get away with using the FGW livery (also since its been available for over 10 years and is just an old train on a new route).
