Train Sim World 2 - London Commuter First Screens!

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by DTG Jamie, Sep 17, 2021.

  1. jackthelad258

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    Yes you are right, I stand corrected.
     
  2. Trainiac

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    Yeah, this is was I was hoping at least we know it's working, I can't complain about that.:D
     
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  3. Trainiac

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    Also, glad to hear the Reigate situation is being looked into, but it does raise the question as to why a screenshot was taken if it was know is was inaccurate knowing the community would have an issue with it once shown.
     
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    Zero QA with the screenshots
     
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  5. seancrabtree2003

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    Well this it not a summer release autumn starts 22nd September why say rush hour was a summer release and now not. Had enough waiting I just wanna play this route. And tells me nothing is ready as really though this Thursday was a London route but as always na. Should have said what it was When they said what that weeks streams would be other than us speculating and us been disappointed. With each day getting fed up of the wait. Yeah I have the pass but think dtg need to rethink how they launch products in future as this has been one epic fail. And how many months have they worked on it and its still not ready.
     
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  6. CrAzZyKiLLa

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    Thank you again for the clarification JD, I hope more work is put into Reigate as there are a lot more inaccuracies other than the station building.

    This also confirms this was Reigate, as most suspected but some disagreed :cool:
     
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    Really appreciate the clarification, thanks JD. I'd like to point out though that Reigate could do with a lot more work than just a suitable station building. The near side platform in the screenshot needs an office building at the far end and some grass on the platform at the least.
     
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    It’s good to hear Reigate station as seen in the published screenshots is a placeholder. It was too wrong to be correct.
     
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  9. Northerner

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    Reassuring to here that Reigate is going to see some attention.
    Just to note, the subway also seems to be missing which is pretty important as the only route between platforms.
     
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  10. Aran

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    Thank you for clearing that up. Would you also be able to confirm or deny that you are aware that the Class 387 destination display is the wrong size as described here and if that is being worked on?
     
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    Sooooo… DTG are really hearing our complaints and try to make som change on the small errors ? That’s really nice I hope they’ll do this every time to stay as much possible close to the community kudos to you DTG
     
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  12. cloudyskies21

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    You make a sensible point, but this is BML after all - it's absolutely critical this route has as much traffic as possible. Think of the positive though, with Southeastern carriage sheds just outside Victoria, there's a chance of some bonus 465 depot moves.
    I'm all for waiting, London Commuter is perhaps the pinnacle for any route ever made by DTG and maybe, if not is, the most anticipated route to be ever released. DTG know this, so they ain't going to rush it, and rightly so. Look at the response from just a couple preview screenshots. Since it's been nearly five months of waiting, while we'd all love to play it tomorrow, a few more weeks of waiting is not a problem, especially if the end result is amazing! :)
     
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    Unfortunately it's more than just the station building that is wrong at Reigate. I hold Reigate on my route card, and work through the station frequently. I struggled to identify the station from the pictures.
     
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  14. solicitr

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    Not in game, it isn't. Air conditioning is a pretty fundamental design feature in real life; pretty irrelevant in TSW.

    You're really this upset just because you can't make a pantograph go up and down, to no purpose whatsoever???? Chill out- I'm sure if DTG do another revamped Electrostar for an OHLE route, they'll ad it in.
     
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  15. mclitke

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    Oh no!
    So you are disappointed by failed expectations that you have set only for yourself which have never been officially confirmed and are unhappy about the fact that DTG finally take the time they need in order to polish the content instead of releasing it at 70% done, which would have been followed up by the next big forum rant arc!
    Why has it become such a pain for some people to just be patient?
    From what I can tell the season ticket is all but a fail (well except our poor ps4 friends who had a bad time and almost started a revolt about it), it has great reviews so far and both the two routes we have gotten are upping the overall route quality, and both of these routes have had major improvements announced to be released rather sooner than later at their point of release (new catenary, improvement of signaling in Boston, Meißen branch and further improved Dresden timetable), which is all a bolt step into the right direction of fixing sooner than later and acting upon customer feedback :)
     
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  16. jackthelad258

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    Seeing DTG have the license for Southern it would make sense to include the service to Milton Keynes from East Croydon/Clapham Junction even if it is AI driven just like they currently do with the WCW from Brighton. It would be nice for DTG to include that route.
     
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  17. taybarker20

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    I hope stewards Lane depot is accessible would make a good class 67 dlc with mk1 layer
     
  18. Ant Craft

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    In all fairness, I do remember them saying all the routes would be out in summer (clearly not the case now), but I am glad they are taking their time with it and are addressing the biggest issues that have been brought up so far. I think it's much better that they are taking their time here, rather than rushing it out when it's not quite polished yet (as has been the case with quite a few routes in the past). Yes, both Boston - Providence and Riesa - Dresden have also have issues, but they have huge updates coming and have both pushed the limits of TSW to the point we haven't seen before, introducing new features at the same time. So when you say it's been all but a fail, I can only agree. And yes, PS4 owners have had issues, but as far as I'm aware, when they where testing it internally, they didn't have any issues to do with the PS4 recognising add-ons, so that couldn't have been predicted.
     
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    Wonder how the old consoles will handle the traffic. We already get FPS in the low teens on the 2 routes realesed.
     
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  20. uvm0902

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    The DTG is facing a very difficult task !!! Community expectations for this route are very high. The route should be revolutionary and advanced like its predecessor in the Train Simulator.

    I am really looking forward to its release, but I have great fears, I am afraid of disappointment. Marushroot is the base for the entire South London network. It is very important that it is executed at a very high level with the prospect of expansion and wide integration with other suburban lines. I admit that the decision to build and release it was premature.
    Or will DTG really surprise us ???

    This route is very important for society and the expectation is crazy. We must be prepared for a large stream of criticism. The community will be biased towards quality. There is no rush to release the route. He must be flawless. This is a classic of the genre, a new standard for Train Sim World. It should be the best for many years to come.
     
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  21. Shaun123

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    Surely the clue, was when it said “Work in Progress” but the community went into meltdown of course as seeing 1 screenshot of part of a station.

    The cranes, I’m not bothered about in the slightest, I would never have picked up on it, unless someone had pointed it out.

    I’m more bothered about the trains, since it is Train Sim World 2.
     
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  22. Aran

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    Well they did clearly say Rush Hour would release in summer, so the expectations have hardly "only been set by themself". But yes, I'd much rather the release goes beyond the deadline than that they release it in a poor state comparable to SEHS.
     
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  23. mclitke

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    The part about the expectations was more aimed at that person's disappointment of not getting a Brighton main line stream this week, while they expected it - even though it was never mentioned anywhere that it would feature the new route in this week's streams:D
     
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    Its Ready .. 100234.jpg
     
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    I'll just put this here:
    • BST will be observed in London until 31 Oct 2021, 02:00
    DTG therefore have plenty of time for a summer release of London Commuter!
    NOTE: The 'S' in the acronym stands for 'Summer' ;)
     
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    387/2 is actually a dual voltage train 25kv 50hz and 750v DC third rail top contact like the 140 mph 225 Kms max speed class 395 from SEHS. For Reigate Branch the purchase of GWML Paddington to Reading is required for class 166 future dlc for BML with Ability to layer to GWML the class 165.
     
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    As soon as the scenario editor is improved, expect Southeastern Snow to be made immediately...
     
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  28. solicitr

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    I must say, Dresden Hbf does make my old PC chug.
     
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    With the longer wait, I really hope DTG is using their time wisely whilst developing this route.

    We’ve already voiced our feedback following the first few screenshots of the route, so hopefully they will listen and still have enough time to make the relevant changes and fixes.

    This will, no doubt, be one of the most popular DLCs for TSW, so DTG will need to do their best at delivering this route. I’m looking forward to it, and I really want this to be done well the first time round. No pressure, DTG.
     
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    I might be able to afford it by the time it's released so I'm not complaining too much it's been delayed ;)
     
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  32. OldVern

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    Good news about Reigate (I hope).

    Anyhow one thing to bring back to the top of the pile and certainly relevant if we are diving into a busy commuter network, is that the save/load game mechanism is still broken. I just went to resume a run on WSR from a couple of weeks ago and, sure enough, all the objective and other data which should display in the top LH of the screen has failed to appear. How can DTG just continue to leave something as fundamental as this unfixed, but expect us to handover £25 for BML when we might not be able to resume the run we are on, let alone keep going between saves for the equivalent of a driver's shift?
     
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    Yup. Just encountered it on Riesa-Dresden: came back after a break to resume a service, and found AFB completely nonfunctional.
     
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    Happened to me just a few days ago as well. Save has been broken in this game for years, but I'm sure they'll get it fixed any day now. Lol.
     
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    will be by release
     
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    Save function is broken since TSW OG but now you have 1 in 10 chance that it will work
     
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  37. Train Sim 9723

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    very true, the usual I get when I save is either trains get put in wrong platforms therefore you can’t complete the service or brakes don’t respond to release handles
     
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  38. MYG92

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    Yep and the current objectives is gone you can complete the scenario/timetable it’s a pain especially when a run takes an hour. The save function is only useful to do the SPAD glitch
     
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    DTG is lazy or bad.
    Backup is an eyesore, and they don't care.
     
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    Saving has NEVER worked for me, at least on Xbox.

    I don't even try it anymore. It's a real shame, too, since routes like Sandpatch and Clinchfield have these great multi-part services but who realistically has 8-10 hours straight to play them through? I know you can run each part individually, but it breaks the immersion for me.

    Not to mention saving is like a basic function for any game- this is not some fancy extra feature we're talking about.

    Does anyone on Series X/S use quick resume with TSW2? Have you had any success?
     
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  41. Train Sim 9723

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    I have used quick resume but I don’t usually remember how to make it do that most of time but whenever I have it all seems to run normal as though you just pressed paused not like the save function
     
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    Thanks, I'll give it a try!
     
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    Four more screenshots were shown during todays roadmap stream:

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    My take: No major issues as far as I can see apart from the wonky cranes still being present and London Victoria Carriage Holding Sidings looking a bit bare of stock but could be because they are all in service. Could do with a bit of clutter (old rails, lineside cabinets, grit bags) around the running lines out of Victoria.
     
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    All looks good , I think the route is all set for a preview next week
     
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    I think this is a much better batch of screens than the first set. I especially like the 2nd showing the raised track above the houses. Shows off the urban feeling of the route when it gets into London.

    Out of interest what station is showed in the first picture, I'm not sure?

    One minor nitpick (although it could just be the lighting), does anyone feel like the livery on the 387 is a tad too bright? I feel like the livery IRL is a slightly darker shade of red. Again, it could just be because of the sunlight in that particular shot.
     
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    Coulsdon South, with the camera on the north end, looking west.
     
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    In this scene, there should be way more foliage between the two lines. You shouldn’t be able to see both tracks from one another.

    In real life there are several bushes blocking the view. In TSW it’s simply grass with a few trees. Can this be corrected please?

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    The lighting of the game in Summer makes everything look washed out; it should look better in Autumn or Winter.
     
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    Sam seemed to suggest tonight that it was agreed (following our feedback) that Reigate was wrong. It would seem that it was never just a placeholder but what they were going to release. That worries me. Whilst I don’t expect stations to be pixel perfect representations of the real thing, they certainly need to be recognisable as the real thing. Reigate was light years away from even being remotely accurate. This begs the questions, who built it and what photographs were they looking at to reference the station?? I’m guessing no real photographs were used, or the builder should have definitely gone to specsavers.
     
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    This is a really good point. I have often found that the density of foliage in TSW, at least in the UK routes, is not nearly enough. The area around Moulescoob on East Coastway for example should be engulfed by trees but in game is quite bare:

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    There are quite a few areas on SEHS where the greenery around the running lines is too sparse so I really hope that is not the case in London-Brighton.
     
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