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Train Sim World 2 - Now All Summer Long

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by DTG Natster, Jul 21, 2021.

  1. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Community Manager Staff Member

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    Train Sim World 2: Rush Hour is not far away now so we wanted to go into more detail about how you can pick up this triple-bill of passenger focused routes.

    Read the article here.
     
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  2. DB628

    DB628 Well-Known Member

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    Say finally the Release Date, how hard it is to say a date :D
     
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  3. Alex_m30x#7297

    Alex_m30x#7297 Well-Known Member

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    So a 10 pounds price increase, for routes to release in sequence?
    Sounds like a down grade to me
     
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  4. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    So the announcement was a price increase! Nobody guessed that! I’ve got me popcorn out for this one…
     
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  5. Mr JMB

    Mr JMB Well-Known Member

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    So not as good value as it normally is and the routes won't all be ready on time. Check :-P
     
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  6. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Community Manager Staff Member

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    We still have more to share with you tomorrow as well.
     
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  7. DB628

    DB628 Well-Known Member

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    I’m really pissed about this Downgrade, i want all 3 Routes at once in August.
    And the 10€ more expensive is a joke for all the recycled Locos and Trains

    Petition to change the price back to 30€ And give us the full Riesa Dresden Route with all branches.
     
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  8. Tigert1966

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    Still seems pretty good value for 3 routes to me…..if you want all 3.

    I’ve completely lost interest for the moment as I only actually want the German Route and that seems further away now and if I only buy that one then it’s normal price.

    I don’t have a problem with price increases. DLC seems to have been the same for ages, but you could have given those that only want one or two routes, some incentives.

    Edit: Just noticed that the length of Riesa Dresden is cut. I’ve just gone fro m Day one purchase to waiting for a sale.

    I can see the reasons for this change of approach and price. I even agree with them to some extent if it allows better quality. It’s just killed my enthusiasm.
     
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  9. Alex_m30x#7297

    Alex_m30x#7297 Well-Known Member

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    Ooh, let the speculation continue
     
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  10. Mr JMB

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    So if its the bad news today, presumably some good news tomorrow :D
     
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  11. DaveDavies

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    Simple. Vote with your feet. Don't buy it.
     
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  12. DB628

    DB628 Well-Known Member

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    I buy it but TrainSim-Matt i‘m mad about your Teams Decision
     
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    Don’t worry Nat, I’ve got plenty of popcorn :D
     
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  14. dave from Cornwall

    dave from Cornwall Well-Known Member

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    So the positive spin on this is :- the fault finder generals can spend quality time on each of the routes as they are they are published finding floating stones and comparing the ballast colours.

    The instant refunders wont want to, as it will mean buying them separately if they have a huff, its cheaper to buy the bundle.

    DTG have time to get the routes finished before releasing as all three are not coming at the same time.

    Sort of win win for everyone!
     
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  15. matjamca

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    I’m a little disappointed Rush Hour is being split into three separate releases, but if that means the routes will be better for it, I’ll live with it. Having the Reigate branch included on BML is a nice bonus.

    £34.99 is obviously not as good a price as £24.99, but I still think three routes and all those extra trains for that price is superb value for money.

    EDITED: I no longer hold this opinion.
     
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  16. Cd1990

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    Well, at least we get a couple of branches included, the Reigate branch is a nice surprise, that confirms we can go via Redhill or the Quarry line.

    Guess drip-feeding each route so to speak means you get to focus on one before the next one comes out :)
     
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  17. AirbourneAlex

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    I am completely fine with this announcement as long as it actually improves the quality of the DLC, by releasing them (hopefully) when they are ready instead of by an exacting deadline. DLC price increase is fine especially as the discount is still quite substantial (3 routes for £75 ordinarily) plus some of us may only be interested in one particular route, so wouldn't really be losing out.
     
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    Question: Will the Rush Hour DLC/pack/season pass be permanently available, and can we expect it'll eventually also be discounted in future sales?
     
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  19. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Community Manager Staff Member

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    This wasn't a decision made by one individual, and if you have questions tagging Matt won't be of any help.

    I understand it is disappointing waiting for a route you are looking forward to, and then being told you have to wait longer.

    As you are aware when creating routes the plans can often change, in this case we are trying to make sure we don't overstretch ourselves and deliver routes to a quality everyone will be happy with. We don't want to provide you with a poor experience, but we do understand this decision will impact those of you who are looking forward to Dresden the most.
     
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    I had that Kid Rock song stuck in my head whilst reading the article...thanks for that! :)
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Seems logical to me, since some players will simply not be interested in one or two of the routes. There are a fair number of "only German routes" and "only British routes" customers out there, who wouldn't want to shell out for the whole bundle.
     
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  22. BR125

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    Will increased draw distance and shadow distance be a all route thing or just future route thing?

    2nd question - is it actually better or is there still insane pop in....
     
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    The real bad news is that they have cancelled the 2 branches on Riesa-Dresden, leaving only the small Großenhain one. Now it's just another generic German passenger route that people are getting sick of. I really want to see something new in Germany and this isn't it with just the 2 mainlines. I understand it was that building all the branches is a too large project for the timeframe you have, but why do you even pick such routes then in the first place?
    Well, at least we have NEC, probably the most interesting route of the three with actually new content, and it releases first.
     
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    Is this just for PS5 and Xbox or also for the PC?
    Doesn't say in the article.
     
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    Awesome
     
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    Simple... Wait until the third route is released, then buy the pack - you'll get all three at the same time. Sorted!
     
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    I for one will be contacting trading standards regarding this issue, this is purely a money-making exercise, and is quite despicable really, im shocked, almost too shocked for words
     

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    Where have they said this?
     
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    matjamca Well-Known Member

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    Trading standards will not do anything. DTG is entitled to change its mind. Until purchase, no contract exists between you and DTG.
     
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    I'd like to think this is a joke post, but given how fanatical some people on here can be, it's really difficult to tell...
     
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    This is disgusting to removed 23 kilometer from Riesa-Dresden without saying anything on the Article


    • Riesa - Dresden – Die 82 km lange Strecke führt über Coswig und den Abzweig nach Großenhain. Ebenfalls enthalten ist die Ausweichstrecke für IC- (DB BR 101 erforderlich) und ICE-Verkehr (DB BR 406 ICE 3M erforderlich).
     
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    Steam and the Rush hour FAQ.
    A shame really, I don't care at all about another generic line like this.
     
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    I would prefer they took their time and made the route with the 23kilometeres. I wouldn’t mind if that would end up releasing the route in September or October
     
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    matjamca Well-Known Member

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    Now that is very disappointing. Hopefully a mistake in the article, but giving with one hand and taking with another is a bitter pill to swallow.
     
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    Very good. Will it go out at the same time on all 3 routes? out of each route
     
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    Don't be silly. Vendors are free to change their prices at will.
     
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    im not mad about it, like how not all 5g networks are created equal, Not all TSW2 Routes are created equal, one route may have troubles that need resolving (I Presume Brighton Main has some issues) and as such delay the routes that are ready, I Also argue the $10 price increase does make sense you may be getting 3 routes for nearly the price of one but a slight increase wouldnt hurt its still an absolute steal for TSW2 Routes
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Well, that stinks. And up until now I was looking forward to R-D being almost a network.
     
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  39. DTG Natster

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    No plans to remove the season pass, we want everyone to be able to purchase Rush Hour whenever they like. As for discounts it's too early to confirm that or not.
     
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    I think we might need to start a peaceful protest. DTG, we want those extra lines on Riesa-Dresden. Don’t let us down.

    I have started a formal protest here:
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/my-rush-hour-protest.42567/
     
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  41. DaveDavies

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    You're kidding, right?
     
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    You Must give us Meißen and Dresden Flughafen as it was planned all the Time.
    Its now random route like Rhein Ruhr Osten without the Brandes
     
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    In my opinion nobody should be complaining about the £10 price increase AS LONG AS the routes are good quality (think East Coastway, HMA or Cathcart) and are done well. Routes have been £24.99 for many years now and the quality has definitely been dipping recently. £34.99 for three routes is still very good value. I'd much rather pay that and see three routes done well than £24.99 and three routes done averagely.

    What worries me the most is this: "Launch on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S with improved ... service layers". This sounds to me like another HMA situation where some players can access the full experience and some can't. This understandably causes a rift in the community. So far HMA has been the only route to have this issue but it looks like there will now be 2, possibly 3 more routes to add to the list. As someone who can't find a PS5 for love nor money, this is concerning.
     
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    Why we Lost 23 Kilometers From Dresden Risa We wont the 105 Kilometers back
     
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    This isn’t correct (from the FAQ)

    We recommend that any player who is interested in any of the routes in Rush Hour pick up the Season Ticket. The routes will be available separately, but will be the same price as the Season Ticket. If you want to keep your collection small, just picking up the one route you want might sound appealing, but there is no way to upgrade from a single route to the Season Ticket if you change your mind.

    The Season Ticket is £34.99 the individual routes are £24.99.
     
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    From day one we were told it was a day one release, It seemed to be DTG's biggest boast about Rush hour. Now it's revealed we were lied to again and we're expected to be delighted to pay more for less. Is there any chance of Brighton-Victoria being released by Christmas or like the 313 and the extra 200 services on the Bakerloo line will it quietly be dropped and hope no one notices?
     
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    Looks like they aim to put them all out before the end of Summer... We'll see. Best untill last
     
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    Probably we get never the full Bakerloo and Long Island Rail Road Timetable.
    They not even fixed the Dispatcher on Lirr when Adam worked on the route.
     
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    [Removed by, well, me.]
     
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    It's pretty poor to leave it to the players to find hidden nerfs in the specs. I would completely agree it is better to make the whole of the Dresden route that was originally proposed with the IC lines and branches and a real mixture of things to do, even if it takes longer.

    This was always going to be the problem with trying to make 3 routes and release them simultaneously as I said months ago. It is right that they are separated now to address that but if the specs are downscaled at the same time then that is poor.

    It is time the creatives at DTG were allowed to do their thing without the bean counters intervening every 5 minutes to make cuts and downgrades and the marketing people constantly trying to drive the release timings according to some super marketing 101 scheme.

    Make the best thing you can and release it when ready.
     
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