Train Sim World 4 - Free Roam & Scenario Planner (september 18th)

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  1. DTG Alex

    DTG Alex Senior Community Manager Staff Member

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    Ahhhh not another Q&A thread!

    Our next preview livestream will be showcasing our new Free Roam Mode, as well as the Scenario Planner preview we weren't able to stream earlier this week.
    We will be live on Monday, September 18th starting at 18:00pm UTC / 19:00pm BST on Train Sim World channels.

    If you have any questions you want us to address about these tools, please send them in this thread - as a reminder we may not get to all questions on the stream, and we will look through this thread in preparation.

    In addition to questions: We'd also like to invite you to suggest examples you may like to see within Free Roam Mode or Scenario Planner! We have a plan for what we are going to show, but if there's anything particularly interesting that is recommended then we can try to give it some time whilst we are live! :)
     
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  2. Myron

    Myron Well-Known Member

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    Can you spawn single ICE 1 middle and head cars? They work just fine when spawning them with godmode, without missing textures on the car connections, you can even couple them, so that's a valid question
     
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  3. sophieclarke1983

    sophieclarke1983 Well-Known Member

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    DTG Alex my suggestion is to show something with the LNER Azuma that would be awesome thanks
     
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    On scenario planner, has the search function been updated and will we be able to search for the creators by name ?
     
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  5. denis

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    Can you spawn a train inside a depo block?
     
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    bobbobberdd Well-Known Member

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    Free Roam Question/Idea: What happens if I click on a Destination for which there is no straight Path.
    As an example with Dresden-Riesa, I'm standing in Meissen and Set my Waypoint in Riesa, how does the Game react?
     
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  7. Myron

    Myron Well-Known Member

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    can you set extra stops on your path to your destination, quickly making a passenger service run without making an entire scenario with the scenario planner or using the timetable?
     
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    bobbobberdd Well-Known Member

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    Free Roam Question:
    -What happens to your Train when you're done? Do you have to delete the Train yourself or can the AI send it through a Portal on its own?

    -As far as I know, Free Roam is supposed to work on all Routes, but is there something that doesn't work on non-TSW4 routes?
     
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  9. CK95

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    Similar to the ICE 1 question, can we take the Mk3’s from the HST sets and use them as loco hauled rakes? Say a ROG EP 37 with some EMR Mk3’s.

    (Assuming you can as it’s possible via some trickery already & has been shown off in MML).
     
  10. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    l will just copy my questions from the other thread so it may not be a smooth transition! ;)
    Also really sorry to tag you DTG JD but I know you said if you got a chance you would answer them, so if you have already answered them somewhere please could you direct me to it as I honestly forgot to look before going and copying them. Of course, if you haven't answered that's fair enough too, as I know your workload can be alarmingly high and I forgot myself you'd said that until a couple of minutes ago!:)

    A question I have is probably quite an obvious one but want to check before I start what I am planning to do. That question is if I have got a scenario which I have made but need to make adjustments to it in TSW4 will that be fine or will the scenario need to be rebuilt?

    Also if I have a livery which I have created in TSW3 can I edit and add more layers to it in TSW4? (not SP related, sorry)

    I feel this has been answered somewhere so sorry in advance but will the multiple connected paths work on TSW3 routes in TSW4 as I have a few plans there too?
     
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  11. sivn#4246

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    FREE ROAM MODE.

    I’m looking forward to using the Flying Scotsman from Paddington to Reading.
     
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  12. archer

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    I'll ask my question with an example:

    I'm on Sand Patch Grade in timetable mode and I can't get up the hill; perhaps I have underpowered locos, perhaps it has started raining, whatever the case is my train is not going to make it.
    Can I spawn a pair of light locos and instruct them to couple up to the back of my train, then complete my service with the aid of the newly spawned banking locos?
     
  13. Kangaroo Conductor

    Kangaroo Conductor Well-Known Member

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    - Is there anything on TSW 2020 to TSW 3 routes that doesn't work compared to TSW 4 routes ?

    - Just to be sure; can I spawn more than one train / loco ?

    - Highly assuming I can, what happens with the trains / locos that I don't drive or are cuppled to my train; will the AI take over ?

    - If the AI does take over, what does it do ?

    - If it doesn't, what happens if I place a train in the way of the one I'm driving ?

    - What happens when I reached my destination ?

    - What happens if there is no straight way to my destination, like a track next to me in a yard. Does the dispatcher route me to it through stopping past the switch and reversing on the correct one ?
     
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  14. Squonk

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    Free Roam -

    Can a demonstration be made of free roam on a previously restricted route on a TSW4 compatible but older version of the game? For Example Cumberland yard or even older with Oakville Subdivision going beyond their previous restrictions,

    Also
    Can rolling stock be spawned anywhere? For example can I fill up all the yards and Sidings with wagons etc all over the map and then spawn a couple of loco's and go off shunting everything around the map?

    Likewise, what happens if I take a loco and some wagons across to the other end of the map, dump the wagons in a siding and then return to my original point light loco,
    Will the wagons remain where I left them or will they despawn?


    Thanks
     
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  15. diamondderp

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    Drive with the Vectron on Vorarlberg and try to get 200km/h on the speed recorder.
     
  16. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Will scenarios from TSW3 to TSW4 copy over?
    Will platform length still limit what trains you use or does free roam not care about that and you can spawn in any length of train anywhere?

    That's my questions. Please answer them. Thank you. :)
     
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    Myron Well-Known Member

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    that's a good question. platform lengths do not really matter (idk if thats true lmao) since you can spawn them anywhere, also seen in a few clips in the TSW4 announcement. free roam, they said, has restrictions, I don't know how restricted, but I hope we can still spawn trains over switches etc. like you could do it with godmode. unfortunately spawning trains inside trains won't be possible :(( (jk)
     
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  18. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    The only dlc that never made it across to tsw2 and beyond is nec new York, sw1000r switcher and the gp40-2. Well a portion of the nec new York route came with new York Trenton. But all other dlc work just fine
     
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    I think the restrictions is where you place the train that won’t fits on the track. Not many restrictions
     
  20. Myron

    Myron Well-Known Member

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    another question to free roam spawning: when spawning the RABe 523 with the godmode mod, both master keys (front and back) are for some mysterious reason, turned on. since you, the devs, have Luzern-Sursee installed (for the RABe 523 layering into Vorarlberg for the preview stream), could you please test if the master keys are off on both cabs when spawning it with the free roam spawning tool?
    and a small question afterwards, what key do you need to press to pop up the menu? TAB?
     
  21. amtraknick1993

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    I will use Antelope Valley as an example for my questions as that's what I'm familiar with.

    Free Roam
    - If I run a train from Los Angeles to Lancaster (or Lancaster to Los Angeles) and reach the end, can I switch ends and go back to where I started or would all the signals be red and its setup to just run free roam one way but you have to exit and do another free roam session if you want to go the other way? Like if you wanted to run a full roundtrip service (weekend train for example) that's not included in the available sessions on the timetable. Could I run a full 4 1/2 hour roundtrip with no issue in free roam?

    - While unrealistic, for arguments sake, do you have to follow all the signal indications? Say you pass a red signal in free roam. Will anything happen like in a scenario or is it truly free roam where you can do basically anything?

    - I know if you setup a free roam session and choose your destination, it's supposed to set all the switches and signals for you and basically give you a route to follow. Is there anyway to verify exactly which track you'll be going on (like if you're gonna take a siding or something or which track you'd arrive into Los Angeles) and is there a way for you as the user to edit the route that's been determined for you so you can choose exactly where you want to go? This is kind of related to my previous question but if the route gets determined for you, what happens when you reach the end of the route and want to switch ends and go back? Will you have the option of setting a new route so you can continue on in the other direction? If I arrive at Lancaster and want to switch to the cabcar to go back to Los Angeles.

    Scenario Planner
    - Can you edit existing services/scenarios in the timetable?
    - Can you edit a specific consist in a service on the timetable? All of the Metrolink consists will be 4 cars in the timetable services. Can you edit a specific timetable service and say, add 5 cars to that service instead?

    - Can you create your own service for the timetable? For example, a weekend schedule Metrolink train from Lancaster-Los Angeles?
     
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    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    will it be possible in Free Roam inside timetable mode, to take a train that is stored in a siding, and set a path for it?
     
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  23. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    My main question or thought is, what really is the point of Free Roam given we have a full timetable, various scenarios and much better planning tools in the pipeline. Or is this essentially a form of Quick Drive like TSC but with maybe more options, such as defining station stops and pathing?
     
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    idk if already asked but is something like this possible with free roam?
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    special runs that are nonexistent in the timetable and/or speed testing on empty routes and/or using custom formations I guess?
    they say "on the fly" and creating a whole scenario for a bit of fun isn't really worth it in my opinion
     
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  26. arek#2842

    arek#2842 Well-Known Member

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    I see new Free Roam in that way:

    Let's say you have an idea for a scenario.

    In Scenario Planner (current or v. 2.0) you have to plan and create whole scenario from the beginning to the end + add whole AI controller traffic (I'm not sure but is it still limites to 20 trains with SP 2.0?). It will take some of your time.

    While in Free Roam you can spawn on any branch or platform of any route, spawn a train you like and start to realise that scenario right away :D and that's with the whole living AI timetable there!

    I will not call it game changer now yet, as I don't know how well it will be working in general and how it will be working in case of passengers runs (if you'll be able to make stop to load/unload passsengers), but even though for me it is the strongest point of TSW4.
     
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  27. rennekton#1349

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    You still have to obey the rules in free roam. In real life you can't break the rules just because you're free lol
     
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  28. 2martens

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    Please show free roam in Cologne-Aachen with you spawning an ICE just behind a RE in Cologne-Ehrenfeld, heading to Aachen. If you say as destination something after Düren, for example, I guess you would be trailing the RE for starters. But would you get a clear path, overtaking the RE, while it stops in Horrem?
     
  29. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    If you take a different path through Horrem, and the train isn't snatching the path ahead of it - then yes. However, more than likely the RE has full "dispatch beyond" set up, which means it'll be continually locking in the path ahead of it and that'll prevent an overtake I suspect.

    Matt.
     
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    But if the timetable would be set up such that it only gets routed to the stop and only the loading operation has dispatch beyond set again, would the ICE then be able to lock in the departure through Horrem? After all it is likely 2 blocks behind the regio when the regio stops.
     
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  31. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    If you're talking about making a new timetable in the editor then you can do as you wish and your ICE then has the opportunity to steal the blocks ahaed while the regional does its thing. But if you're talking about using the *existing* timetable it almost certanily has dispatch beyond's on it and the ICE would get held up.

    Matt.
     
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    I'm talking about making a new timetable but I'm curious as to how the dispatch beyond specifically would work here. I think having a couple of examples of positions of various trains, their instruction setup, and the result would be helpful to visualise in my head what instruction setup I need for what I want to enable.
     
  33. Squonk

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    I always play the game fully, all the scenarios, all the timetables but what I tend to play the most is the map where you have a "Sandbox Scenario" like the Cumberland Switcher or Hamilton Explorer among others, I could spend hours on there shunting wagons about, marshaling long freight trains that's just what I enjoy doing, each to their own and all that,
    But I would get really frustrated with the limitations of these scenario's with red lights creating borders that couldn't be passed and with no obvious reason that I could see,
    So the announcement of opening up the whole maps to free roam in TSW4 is music to my ears and I am hugely looking forward to it,
    So something that may be of little interest to you may be of great interest to someone else, we all look for different things in these games.
     
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    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Oh absolutely and I can see how that will be of benefit, if you don't want to set something up in the editor. Just hope if it is akin to TSC there will be that extra flexibility, i.e. able to define station calls etc.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    No ability currently do any more than define a destination and the waypoints along the way, though we do want to do more with free roam in the future that might allow you to do this perhaps... but not for release and not for anything planned.

    Matt.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Ok - so imagine your train is on the tracks and moving towards the next station. In order to show you a green light, the dispatcher has to clear and allocate a number of blocks ahead of your train. In the UK, you'd have a green light in front of you, then a clear block, then a double yellow, then a clear block, then a yellow, then a clear block, then a red and you can't move beyond that point. So in order to get your green, it's allocated 3 more blocks ahead of you.

    You're pulling into a station which is on a loop, it has a green at the end of the platform, that means you're clear back on to the mainline for 3 more blocks. Anything wanting to pass you while you're stopped is unable to, and has a red light somewhere prior to the junction.

    Let's say you untick dispatch beyond from the stop-at for the platform.

    As you now approach the platform the dispatcher will NOT clear any blocks beyond that stop, leaving the mainline clear. You pull into the loop facing against a red light and pull up to a stop on the other side.

    The moment you were clear of the mainline, that high speed train behind you which has been chasing yellows all this time (jeez you're so slow) the dispatcher is now able to clear blocks ahead to get it a green light - clearing block sections right through the station on the main line. The fast train blows right by you as you sit there enjoying your red light.

    Once it's a full block away from you, the dispatcher is able to get you a yellow light, and you can start making your way out, and before long the fast train is sufficient blocks away you're enjoying that green glow again.

    In most timetables, we use dispatch-beyond to try and ensure you get green lights on platforms, except where we can see direct evidence of needing to hold the dispatcher back to allow this kind of thing to take place. So - if when you run that service normally you find yourself always hauling up to a red that flips to a green, then it's got dispatch-beyond unticked and you CAN get ahead of it if you're behind it. if you always approach on a green light, then it IS using dispatch beyond and you won't be able to get ahead.

    Hope that helps.
    Matt.
     
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  37. Scotrail156467

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    Can we see a demonstration of free roam on a tsw2 route or tsw3 one
     
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    I would like to see if the ROG class 37 can couple up to the LNER azuma.
     
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    Well i can tell you what the point of free roam will be for me. There are routes i have that i want to drive other trains on. In particular i have the 2 steam routes, but i have to say i'm not really enjoying driving the steam trains very much. What i want to do is to hop in a Class 101 and just drive on those routes. I know we have senario planner but that means wasting the limited amount of time i have in my life to play TSW due to work commitments. I'm not one of these people that have hours and hours to play TSW. I get the odd hour here and there. So i dont want to waste that time creating scenarios. I just want to be able to pick my route. Pick a train of my choice. And go.
     
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    Thanks for confirming Matt. Which then comes back to my earlier point that for me, at least, probably of limited use.
     
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    When it comes to creating the driveable train in a scenario, will we be able to create a formation, loco by loco; carriage by carriage; wagon by wagon. The reason being that I want to create an 8, or more, coach train on Chur Arosa, but the existing planner limits you to 4 vehicles..
     
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    Will free roam mode allow us to gain points still?

    So progress towards route/train/profile?
     
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    Was also wondering this
     
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    Can I spawn a ALP46 on Cajon Pass and it will works like on NYT with panto down? That would be logic. ;)
     
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    You can spawn it, but it won’t run, you will need the appropriate power source still.
     
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    Not sure if I'm a fan of that or not. I like that the game doesn't throw me into an arcade mode but stays true to it's simulating nature.

    But an additional arcade mode for people that want to run third rail EMUs on Peak Forest could be fun.
     
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    There’s probably something technical behind it, if you enable the off the rails always powered mode, I suspect it could break the timetable for routes that have power switchovers, such as SEHS & LGV. Then again maybe it’s just a box that hasn’t been ticked.
     
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    I know it's not the correct thread but I hesitated to create a new one for this:
    Is the Xbox add-on manager coming with tsw4?

    Thanks
     
  49. sophieclarke1983

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    Simple solution run the Azuma on there in diesel mode as diesel mode system doesn’t require 3rd rail or overhead wires as neither would class 166 from gwr or 158 from midland mainline
     
  50. OldVern

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    I believe if the diesel mode on the Azuma is set up correctly it is a small emergency diesel capable only of low speed, unlike the hybrid sets on the Western.
     
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