Trains In Timetable Mode Using Free Roam Features

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  1. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Initial I didn’t find this mode appealing but after I found out it was available in timetable mode, now is a different ball game. A feature that I will probably use often. DTG Matt question. For example:If I spawn in 700 on the ECML at Peterborough for charter service to Doncaster, once I get there what happens to it. Does it just sit there blocking traffic? Does it keep going off to a portal? Are you able to despawn it at any time?.
     
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  2. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Once you're done with it you can leave it there to cause mayhem, or you can despawn.

    Matt.
     
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  3. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Matt much appreciated the quick response. You and JD were delirious at the end of the stream yesterday. It was hilarious to watch.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Hah i'm working on about 3 hours sleep a day at the moment so i was probably delirious at the start tbf :)

    Matt.
     
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  5. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Actually this might be a game changer and feature that kind of went under the radar during the launch. Great feature
     
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    Its a great new feature. Just a shame there is no 'off the rails' capability.
     
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    Ah so engineers now have bags of holding as standard issue. That must be some union they got to get the company to shell out on interdimenensional bags to hold locomotives! But seriously the whole spawn trains in and choose your path is going to be huge for me when I get around to getting tsw4.
     
  8. DTG Alex

    DTG Alex Senior Community Manager Staff Member

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    Make sure to join us for our Free Roam Mode preview livestream in a few weeks, we'll properly showcase all the capabilities that it can offer before the launch of TSW4 :)

    Alex
     
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    I’m really looking forward to Freeroam; I think it fills the gap I’ve had, where you’re kinda dependent on creators club, which itself is awesome. Im never going to create my own stuff and the timetable; not for me

    As a relatively casual player, I’ve often wanted to just drive the GWR HST on Penzance for example… I don’t care about the rest of the AI content being out of date…

    I think this is a really cool addition and that I can just drop into timetable mode with the loco (broadly) of my choice… very happy
     
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    And that is now a disappointment, I wanna spawn a detoured freight on Antelope behind an existing Metrolink Service.
     
  11. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

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    Is there anyway to have passengers get on and off the train during free roam? Would be awesome if you could stop at the stations you want, and have people get on/off.
     
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    From what I understand you will still be able to spawn anything you want, wherever you want. The comment about "off the rails" not being enabled means you cant spawn an ACS-64 on Cajon Pass and expect it to work, because there will be no catenary or way to power it. So you could spawn it, but not make it go. Thus spawning another diesel on the AVL should be fine, if I have understood correctly.
     
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  13. Fawx

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    Yeah that's how I understood it as well. If the track has no OHLE, trains that need it won't work. Same with Third rail.
    Diesels and Steam trains should work everywhere.
     
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  14. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    I think it was a feature that was glance over and overlooked. But being able to spawn a 387 or 700 on the ECML for some charter service to Doncaster try to follow and 801 LNER is going to be great. That’s is a good question about the passengers . Would really hope passengers would get off/on your train
     
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    Except Arosa, since it's narrow-gauge. And Bakerloo because of the loading gauge.

    I wonder about incompatible voltages, like German trains on UK routes?
     
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  16. stewartforgie

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    It was actually the announcement of free roam quite late into the Live Stream Launch announcement along with the reveal of the PC Editor That convinced me to pre-order on day one!
     
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    Hopefully Matt can come in tomorrow and clarify, would suck if we can only spawn everything in regular free roam and not with the timetable.
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Yes that is correct - when I said "no off the rails" I mean "no fictional power supplies". You can spawn anything in your collection, but if it needs electrical supply and you dont have it (or you dont have the right one) then it wont take power - nowt to stop you dragging it though with something that does... so an ACS-64 be hauled by an NS freight on Antelope ought to work for example, but the ACS will never take power.

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    Matt, how will this work on PS with add-on manager? As we know, the manager only mounts the appropriate content for a route when the map loads (I think?) so for argument's sake would I be able to spawn an ICE into ECML on the fly, or will it only be locos with layers/subs/homed for the route loaded? (power requirements notwithstanding)
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Addon manager is smarter than the average bear.

    When the game loads it builds an index of what trains you have in total and where to find them. This allows the UI to show everything, and then when you select a train it will automount it at that moment. It's completely automatic behind the scenes.

    Matt.
     
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    Great to hear. I'm so taking the SD40 on Bakerloo again IN TIMETABLE FREEROAM
     
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  22. FredElliott

    FredElliott Well-Known Member

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    And another one Matt - assuming collectables will be obtainable in free roam, which will be a much more fun experience being able to spawn trains on the fly, is there any chance of getting the jeep from Holiday Express as a spawnable vehicle in free roam? (or something similar)

    Or maybe even...

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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    I would love to get the jeep spawnable. Not right now though, now is not the time to be throwing new things in the build :) But something to look at for a future update maybe :)

    Matt.
     
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    Hope to see it for sure! My reasoning is that obviously free roam is designed to encourage exploration as well as train spawning as you like, and although I'm likely in the minority here one of my favourite things in any open world game is to go off the beaten track, and walking in TSW3 is slow if you're doing anything beyond changing cabs. Perhaps an interim option could be to have a toggle to increase "walking" speed to match that of accelerated flying cam in free roam only? Could open up areas of exploration too and expansion of where collectables could be placed, eg. the town I forgot the name of in Cajon Pass seems to be fully modelled, perhaps something like opening that up for exploration (ie. removing the invisible walls) and plopping collectibles in areas away from the immediate vicinity of the tracks?

    (I know that's unlikely for Cajon, more a possibility in future routes where stuff away from the rails is modelled)
     
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  25. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    We don't model much outside the vicinity of the tracks - or routes would take ten times longer to make :) We model the scenery to fit how it can be seen from the trackside or at best, from above the train in the external camera. The boundaries are there to basically stop you going into the "behind the scenes" world - it's all like a movie set in hollywood where from the actors vantage point it's totally immersive and accurate, but take one step behind that building and.... there's no building there, just some supports holding up the front bit of a building :)
     
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    Understood, still fun to explore though! Is the town in Cajon pass "solid" beyond the boundary? Model wise it looks complete, at least as far as the camera allows visibility of it
     
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    It may well not have collisions set up as you're not expected to go there, and there may be holes in the ground you can fall through because again, nobody's done the testing there to make sure it's solid. Opening the world up for more exploration is as much of an extra test/QA challenge as it is to actually make it in the first place.

    You'll certainly see lower res textures, and models that just don't stand up to any kind of close scrutiny. These areas we can help memory optimisation and performance - if you can walk everywhere, things are gonna get tougher on that front :)
     
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    So for example this is where the Vectron become handy because it can go on a lot of different voltages ? (If it is the MS version)
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Indeed, or putting the pantographs up on the 700 and 387 in places where it can use them :)
     
  30. stewartforgie

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    Just wondering, If I spawn a slow goods train into timetable mode will the dispatcher route me into a passing loop to allow an express passenger through?
     
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    Maybe you could set a route to the siding. Perhaps the dispatcher will automatically notice you’re in the siding, have not ”reserved” the mainline up ahead and give AI trains behind you the green signal to pass you.
     
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    No, it's not *that* dynamic, but as TimTri says you could route yourself into the siding and it will get the othe rtrain to pass you and you can then route in bheind it and the dispatcher will manage that for you - but it can't dynamically change paths.

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    Would passengers get off and on the trains you spawn in on free roam timetable mode?
     
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    Will the game have a save function from the off this time (crucial for making your long term free roam scenario's) and would it be possible to have multiple save slots?
     
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    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    I dont think passengers will get on an doff no, because yo ucan't currently generate load/unload instructions, perhaps an improvement for the future though.

    You can save freeroam and resume but only one save slot still i'm afraid.

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    Thanks for the quick response Matt,
    I gotta say I've been hoping for a proper "free roam" since day one almost, really looking forward to taking my Class 66 with a rake of 12 coaches on it's inaugural world tour
     
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    So we can manage our path on the fly as it were?
     
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    I'd strongly recommend you are stopped before you clear and set a new path :) Someone on beta tried it on the fly and just spadded with the newly red signal in front of him. But yes, you can set a path from A->B, get half way and decide you want to go somewhere else, stop, clear the path, set a path from there to somewhere else, etc - up to you.

    Matt.
     
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    Brilliant!
     
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    I must say I this free roam is looking rather enticing. I think I will be taking a Peak with a good rake of MKIIs on a good thrash from Donny to Posh once the existing TSW routes can be downloaded after early access.
     
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    This free roam stuff seems like the best thing since sliced bread. Definitely worth it.
     
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    Would definitely love for this to be added in the future.
    Is it possible to fill/empty wagons on routes like Tees Valley Line/Peak forest? Would love that implemented too if at all possible.
    Things like refueling trains as well.
     
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    This will be great for creating on the fly 'trip workings' - a bit like that wonderful scenario on Peak Forest. We should be able to do that sort of stuff on Tees Valley :)

    My question; is there anything to try to protect the dispatcher from using the left tracks on German routes? I noticed when spawning and setting a destination using console commands on routes such as DCZ it likes to do that a lot, lol!
     
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    It will pick shortest path and then you can add go-via's if you dont like the path its chosen.
     
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    Is there an option that once you spawned the loco and set where you want to go ,ican you have the AI drive it ?
     
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    No pre-set paths available to pick from? Would really like a feature that'd able to me to do a regular timetable service in any train I'd like without the need to manually set destinations.
     
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    No preset paths, maybe an idea for the future but that doesnt really fit with the "place anywhere" thing so needs a bit more thought.

    You can't have AI drive the trains no, this isn't intended to be a replacement for scenario planner (yet...)

    Matt.
     
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    True, I'm kinda exploring the possibilities of this Free Roam mode to see if it can do what TSC Quick Drive could do, but I realize Free Roam isn't intended to do that.
     
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    dreaming about my Taurus with TGV coaches behind it which I put together with godmode before being a formation now woo
    and I saw from a few gameplay previews that you also can chose CC liveries woo im excited
     
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    This does sound very interesting, especially with timetable mode. But, what I really think needs implementing is being able to have and choose which stations you want to make passenger stops along the way (passenger loading/unloading), otherwise it will feel the immersion is ruined if, for example, just having an empty passenger train driving from A to B which seems to kind of defeat the whole objective, especially in timetable mode.
     
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