After watching the DTG preview last night I feel that £9.99 or €11.99 or$14.99 is a fair price to pay for this add on. Really though for all the problems and flaws with Arosa, IOW and WCL I do feel that as it is the season of “Goodwill” to all, a gesture of a freebie would really have been an acceptable gift for those who purchased all three routes. I will still buy it, but Rivet do themselves no good in my eyes. I wish they would stick to locomotives which they are so good at and stop producing real routes. If Rivet want to route build it should be fictional. For those who want to buy Arosa Linie and the add on it will cost £34.98, so wait for the sales. As usual Just Trains are putting the finishing touches together for a special festive gift free not only to loyal customers but the whole train simulator community. Would be nice if rivet did something likewise for the TSW2 community.
I agree that it is not good for reputation to charge for a DLC without fixing problems first. However the best weapon of a consumer is the wallet. If this pack doesn't sell good, it might be a signal for Rivet. If people still buy it, then it says it all...
I’m not a huge Rivet fan anymore, but I think it’s a fair price. Those liveries could well have incurred licensing costs and people have worked on the extra content. So I don’t believe it should be free. Maybe they could have offered one livery for free, but I certainly don’t think the whole pack should be given away as a gesture. If what Jasper says is true, the major bugs have been fixed now. So I’ll wait and see. I don’t particularly want the pack, but at least Rivet are trying something different. Maybe if I get bored over Christmas it might tempt me. I’d also disagree that Rivet should stick to Loco’s. They look nice on the outside, but the physics and sound have not been that great. I do play all the Rivet routes. I’m probably have lower expectations than some people and can still enjoy them. But to me they still have a way to go in all aspects of the game.
No road in TSW is 100% perfect, just look at the ratings on Steam (each player has his own priorities). Personally, I like the Arosa Line and I like the pack presented last night. Moreover, we also have fixes that will be updated natively (and expected by players, proof that Rivet Games has listened). For me, this will be a day one purchase as I feel that Rivet Games has improved a lot since their first DLC, which I enjoy and so I will open my wallet to get some more fun.
I'm not judging anyone for what they consider to be fair compensation for an existing problem. I have a question though. Why receiving compensation under a different shape other than addressing the problem would suffice? At the end of the day, you continue to use the broken product so sooner or later the frustration will resurface. The new content is meant to be used on a flawed base so it would affect the enjoyment in my case.
My thoughts about the stream from yesterday (I did not watch everything due to not enough time, so correct me if I missed something): - Loco designs very nice, good resolutions of the adds - Loco physics better, but still not good - Brakes still completely wonky - Coaches same sounds, but quieter. Better, but still not good - No scenery changes according to Jaspar, route looks better in Winter than in Summer - Less trees in the video, than after an update in-game for me. I don't know when it was updated, but in my game around Langwies there are way more trees, but in the stream, again back to the trees we had before. Pity. Adding more trees would really help a lot - despite you saying other things, the open cars do not run in Winter (from the RhB-Website: Die Cabrio-Wagen der RhB fahren vom 30. Mai – 30. Oktober 2022 täglich auf der Arosalinie.) Departures Chur: 11:08 and 14:08, departures Arosa: 11:49, 15:49 (well, if I bought the DLC, I will just tell myself, that a group reserved it, even if not 100% realistically) - in the scenario, Matt had to garage the loco on a siding, that had no overhead-wire. - if I saw correctly, at least one of the wrong speed boards has been changed And I saw an other bug, I forgot to mention in my earlier bug-reports: Way too much space between the buffers, the buffers should touch when coupled. In game, there is always like 20cm between them. That would give a really bad drive in reality (don't know how to explain it, but the coaches will run up to to the coaches in front of them, go against the buffers with a shock, get back, get a shock from the couplings. And this on a line with this decline could be fatal, as there are too much forces in there.) There are only very few strict cases when you are allowed not to couple strongly. On the next routes, please add PIS-screens, each station on the route has them. It is just so much better, if you want to run around free-roam etc, so you can see in-game, when the next train will come. (Arosa and Chur have big screens on the plattforms, and all the stations have PIS-systems included in the information-screens etc) I am waiting, what has been improved in the launch build, as you have said, that Matt did not have the newest build.
Couplers not touching is an issue on some other rolling stock as well. I remember when I was playing with the BR 363 shunter, certain cars had quite a bit of space between their couplers. Looked pretty bad and unrealistic. Thanks for the stream summary, by the way. The route is still not perfect, and I mean the scenery, which is one of the biggest offender, will probably not be changed anyway, but these fixes may be enough to make me give the route a try. Despite the ugly distant landscapes and the overly "clean" look, I always liked the feel of the route, so I might finally give it a try in the near future. That being said, I hope they continue doing improvements. They make really interesting add-ons, but with really bad flaws that make you don't want to play them. If they spent a bit more time fixing them, they could be much better sellers, I think.
I will not be buying this DLC just because the fixes to the Arosalinie are not enough. The loco still accelerates way too fast and is difficult to control even just to couple with the coaches, there is no word about fixing the dynamic brake which probably means that it is still broken and last, but not least, the safety systems seem to not work on most of the signals (you only get the in-cab lights in a couple of places, so I guess they haven't implemented it in the others or it is bugged). So I will not be buying this DLC because the main Arosalinie DLC has too many problems, not because the Rhb Anniversary Livery Collection DLC is a bad idea or has bad pricing.
Maybe I am missing something but do not have this rapid acceleration problem that many are talking about. There are other problems like very inconsistent Rail Driver throttle control but haven’t experienced the rocket assist take off nor do I have any problem coupling, Just watched a cab ride video from Chur to Arosa how accurate the route really is, even down to what I thought were unrealistic stumps in the sim. Granted the distance tree coverage is a bit sparse but close in, not too bad in my opinion. Could easily recognize the buildings and scenery in Chur from the sim. Anyway, everyone has their opinions and that is fine, I find the route to be enjoyable and a fun alternative to the run and gun commuter routes and the slow freight drags through the high plains. I used to run the route a lot in TSClassic and enjoyed the liveries provided and the observation car. Happy to see them coming to TSW2
They have nice extas and do another approach as dtg. 1) iow is done well, you can recognize the areas etc. 2)arosa is done well too beside the scenery in distance. 3) wcl: stations very nice recreated, too many generic scenery wouldnt be a problem if the important landscape would be done individually (cathedral, st.ives). Overall still far from being bad.
What if i told you im here right now and saw the pis arent working Rivet did a phenomenal job with arosa scenery beside the mountains in the distance. Cant see anything missing or inaccurate, the lake is frozen, really nice.
That little shunter is really nice, would love to have it on the route! By the way, I have to agree, the close scenery is really well done and accurate. My only problem with the scenery (aside with the ugly distant mountains) are the textures. Everything is too clean and clearly using repeatative textures. I know at Rivet they were kind of "proud" of this tecnique for being performance friendly, but the repeating textures often show and it make it look a bit cartoony. That aside, there are many small details to love, like the modelled overhead wire section ends/changes, or the occasional zapping of the pantograph on them or small actually modelled snow piles on the platforms. On winter snowy weather it's a really nice route to drive. Far from perfect, as the physics and sounds could still use some improvement, but nice enough.
I bought this route at the sale price, partly because I learned that it offered freight and shunting action as well as passenger runs, but mostly because of the recent sale price. So far, I'm thoroughly enjoying learning how to manage the unusual features of the GE 4/4 II engine, especially the interaction of the control wheel and associated braking systems. As other members might expect from me, I also appreciate the fact that Rivet supplies a very thorough user's manual with this route. So far, my only disappointment is that the timetable services are so repetitive.
Well im going down with a ge 4/4 now anyd went up with the allegra. Actually thats how trains run here. They could add more variety with rolling stock, or very intdresting to me would be extend the network in 1 map.
Well im going down with a ge 4/4 now anyd went up with the allegra. Actually thats how trains run here. They could add more variety with Yes there are few minor things, but nothing which brakes the experience. Ill suggest the shunter on rivets forum they could add variety in gameplay on this line.
Thanks for those photos. Imagine a dlc with that shunter and an Allegra, a new timetable... and raildriver support.
Really hope they gonna extend the rhb network. The nice thing is, that the rather low train frequency would actually allow to extend it in a way, which is impossible for dtg right now. I have suggested this in rivets forum, rhb has a lot of classic rolling stock too. Im sure they gonna announce their next project after new year. Only know jasper said rivet isnt in production of an allegra train now.
I have to say, I had concerns about the route because of the issues and the ugly scenery, but driving it in winter (which hides the ugliness a bit) is absolute fun, especially these holiday scenarios. The decorations are beautiful, I love the christmas lights and the snowmen. Also the decorated observation car is really fun. And I might be a minority here, but I wished I could hear the music from it during the whole ride! I mean obviously I couldn't hear it when I was driving from the locomotive, only when I coupled it up and if I occasionally went back to it with the camera. Does anyone know the name of the music it plays? And can it spawn in timetable mode or is there any way to actually ride it as a passenger and listen to it (and not just using the fixed outside camera like I did here)? I didn't care about RhB stuff previously, but I started to really like it after driving a bit on Arosa. The narrow gauge is lovely and the GE 4/4 is a pretty good loco. Would love to see some other RhB route as well - preferrebly one with higher speeds. I don't know which one it is, but on YouTube I saw one which also terminated at Chur, but it felt more like a main line and was much faster (50-80km/h?). Would love to have a drive on that one. As for the Allegra, I'm really not interested in it. Too modern and ugly for my liking, but retro stuff and maybe more freight would always be welcome by me.
I think the yellow open coach with christmas deco is scenario only, but im not sure maybe it can spawn in the time table mode. There are few services with that. The smaller type are stored at st.moritz. Yes rhb has also sections with higher speeds up to 90, but for steep gradiends such as from chur to arosa its max 30-35kmh. The thing is actually the enrire rhb rolling stock is similar to the uk 40 years ago. Most freight is still vavuum braked only, while on the albula line operate dual braked coaches too. So this would be a challenge for rivet. The allegra has a dual brake system, such as the ge 4/4 iii. Its possible to controll the both in mu working with the kheops mu controll system (jumpercable) Allegra in the front + pushed with a ge4/4 iii. All hoses connected incl. Red air hose. Actually all ge4/4 ii locos have been refitted to dual by now, but on the arosa line they operate vacuum only. If rivet is gonna extend the rhb network, ill suggest the older ge6/6ii with more variety in freight + the ge 4/4iii with a cabcar, would also prefere even before the allegra.
I believe the freight runs are new to the Anniversary Collection timetable, right? I just completed one, and it's pretty nice. Plenty of "action" in the form of waiting for passenger trains at passing loops, and you even have to run around at the end and park the freight cars at a siding. Well done, I can only recommend this pack. Oh, and also, I decided to record the music from the decorated observation coach and upload it myself, as I couldn't find it done by anyone else. So if anyone wants to listen to it, it's here! Might be worth trying to directly exctract it from the game files though, might be better than recording it from the game itself. But anyway, I was surprised that it's actually a full 3 minutes song, I thought it's just a short annoying loop.
Just got Arosa (not the livery pack), due to the sale discount plus the recent update. It's fun! Yes, the distant scenery is pretty TS1 (snow definitely helps), and the textures are too clean and too obviously tiled, but the Ge 4/4 is a thing of beauty, visually; whatever Rivet's shortcomings, their 3D model loco builders are top-notch (seen previously in the visually very nice BR 204). The cab in particular is a feast; it's almost tactile, the old-school painted metal and Bakelite surroundings, sort of like getting behind the wheel of an old Mercedes. And a shout-out as well for the modeling of the catenary system and other trackside kit. And, again, it's fun! Now that the brakes have been sorted, that steep narrow-gauge track with tight-radius curves, often at the edge of a cliff, are almost roller-coaster like. Such a pleasure to get the brakes balanced just right to hold speed on a mountain-goat 6% grade!
Yes, I really like the small details like that. The catenary section changes and how the wire is curved in really tight curves are really well modelled. Also what I really like about the scenery is how everything fits together. I mean the architecture around the track (retaining walls, brides, cuts, etc) are all very well done, no clipping and no holes. If they could improve on the distant mountains (maybe with custom 3D models, like it has been done on Cane Creek), that would truly be a game changer. I would also like some tire marks on the roads in winter, as currently everything is completely white, which looks a bit weird. But it's definitely a much better route than I expected. And as you've said, it's like a rollarcoaster at places. With the tight curves and gradients it almost feel and looks like a toy train, so lovely!
