PC Tsw 5 Enhancement | Lighting & Graphic Ep V2.2

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  1. Spikee1975

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    Windows Task Manager does not properly display GPU data under DX12.

    Use MSI Afterburner or likewise apps.

    My 4070 is at 73% usage on Frankfurt rural section, 150% scaling (FPS capped at 75, don't need more) (100% usage seen when switching to 200% scaling - which is useless, and doesn't bring noticeably more sharpness. 150% is enough for TAA to render a good image on HD displays. More will only reflect in your energy bill.

    Vanille engine.ini to evaluate route performance
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    WCMLS is a different beast. Clearly something wrong with the route / assets there, heavy regular performance spikes with even audio dropping out (shaders all cached already), also reported on latest high end hardware. No wonder consoles cannot handle this anymore, crashing out.
     
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  2. danielwyatt60163

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    Just going to chuck this in here :) - Really shows how well a route as old as GWE can look with Modifications!
     
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  4. Spikee1975

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    Still the too strong pre TSW3 PostProcessVolume Bloom (1.0 to 2.3 - TSW5 uses 0.05, makes me wanna reflexively clean the "lens") and much too dark scenery for that time of day and skylight - the sun is standing pretty high judging by the short shadows, the scenery is waaay too dark. Doesn't feel natural, more like camera autoexposure darkening the surroundings biased to the sky, not like human eye.

    Why not use TOD4? ;)
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  5. danielwyatt60163

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    Did you do a mod for British Routes with TOD V4? I know there is an American one.
     
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  9. JetWash

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    For everyone complaining about low GPU usage and seemingly low CPU usage, you are being bottlenecked by your CPU I’m afraid.

    Many modern games don’t multithread at all effectively, if at all. What is happening is that the threads that are running the game are absolutely maxed out, whilst the rest of your CPU is sat at idle. The way your computer reports this, be it through MSI or whatever, will still show low usage. That is correct, because your overall CPU usage is low but critically the couple of cores/threads the game is using are running at 100%.

    Conversely, because your CPU is the bottleneck your GPU usage drops as it is sat waiting for the CPU to catch up. Many people wrongly believe that buying the latest and greatest GPU is all they need for high fps, but that isn’t the case, particularly with modern games and particularly with sims. Your system needs to be balanced, so your GPU and CPU need to have similar levels of performance. The only way to try to redress the balance in the game is turn the wick up on the graphical side to make your GPU work harder, but it will never work entirely. That’s just the way it is.

    My system at this point is not the latest and greatest and I intend to upgrade it when the next generation of components come out, but I can’t stress enough what a difference the extra vCache on the x3D range of AMD processors makes. If you have a compatible motherboard and are experiencing this phenomenon with a strong GPU, you couldn’t go far wrong with a 5800x3D. If you have the equipment to do so though, I’d certainly be looking at the newer Ryzen 7 series and the 7800x3D.

    In a nutshell though, your CPU is the problem. Nothing will change that unless you a) overclock/undervolt it (but that will only eek a bit more out of it) or b) replace it. FWIW in my current setup I’m on my 3rd CPU having started with a 3900X, upgraded to a 5900X then going for the 5800X3D. The latter is not as strong at non-gaming tasks as the 5900X, but for gaming having that vCache blows the 5900X out of the water, despite it having more cores, more threads and a higher clock speed.
     
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    I've been toying with the idea of upgrading my motherboard and processor... more and more motivation to finally pull the trigger.
     
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  11. JetWash

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    Just to say, since getting that 5800x3D I’ve never once been CPU limited in TSW.
     
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  12. MercDriver

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    I am glad that I settled on AMD over Intel. As well as TSW I am also a big fan fan of ETS2 and ATS, both of those titles have similar issues with utilizing multi core multi thread CPU's.
    I have a AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz matched with a Asus GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER TUF 16GB GDDR6X. This rig handles all of my Sims at Ultra, even with all enhancements implemented detailed in this thread, and TSC.
     
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  13. wcwood92

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    I have a Nvidia/AMD pairing too, albeit a somewhat weird pairing. What I did was stick a 3080Ti into a machine that came with a Ryzen 5 5600x. It's been pretty good overall but I think it's getting a bit long in the tooth. The bottleneck is starting to narrow as time goes on.
    I'm looking at the Ryzen 9 7950X3D. It would involve a motherboard upgrade too.

    Do you guys think I should reinstall Windows after that upgrade? I have no problem doing that, but a clean OS install has definitely been the source of my procrastination.
     
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    MercDriver good to know! Love ETS and ATS too
     
  15. JetWash

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    There’s no need to. I mean you can, but you don’t have to.
     
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    Yeah I’ll probably just swap out the hardware and see what happens.
    Like a lot of things on the internet, if you google you get answers pointing in every single direction
     
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    It helps, some, to add these Steam launch parameters:

    -HIGH
    -USEALLAVAILABLECORES
    -THREADS X, where X represents your CPU's capacity
     
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    Why doesn't DTG do this? A very frank question. Are DTG and third parties only responsible for making DLC and fixing issues? Do fans need to do the details of enhancements and other changes?
     
  19. MercDriver

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    So would the string look something like this

    -DX12-HIGH-USEALLAVAILABLECORES-THREADS X
     
  20. MercDriver

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    ETS2 and ATS are the same to some extent. Prior to version 1.50 Visual enhancements where found by the community. Both titles also suffered from really bad truck engine and transmission sounds all fixed again by the community, some for free others at a cost. Plus there are lots of mods on Steam Workshop.
    I will always be grateful for the skill and work of mod makers, especially where a title is also ported to consoles. We are lucky things can be fixed, but more importantly improved.
     
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    So taking what my cpu has, 16 cores, The string should look like this
    -DX12-HIGH-USEALLAVAILABLECORES-THREADS 16
     
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    I think there should be a space between each setting, like this:
    -DX12 -HIGH -USEALLAVAILABLECORES -THREADS 16
     
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  23. MercDriver

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    Can anybody who uses this script copy-paste the string directly from their Steam settings to avoid confusion.
    You can then edit the number of cores to suit your system.
     
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    I have put this string into Steam on my system and did a brief run on WCML and do not see any issue with this brief test.
     
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    The 7800x3D inst available at the moment or if it is its extreme expensive due to less available CPUs... Thats a general problem ATM due to unknown reasons
     
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    Honestly, all those Steam launch parameters relating to cores and threads aren’t going to do anything. The DX12 parameter works because UE4 supports DX12 by default. It goes without saying though that if the software is not written to multi-thread you can’t somehow force it to be so through Steam.

    The only way to improve the situation is get a better CPU. As I said, short of under-vaulting or over clocking (I’d recommend the former) then unfortunately that’s all you can do.
     
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    Well that has cleared that up :))
     
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  28. JetWash

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    I’d imagine it’s the new generation stuff that’s about to drop. Doubtless you’ll be able to pick one up secondhand before long, and TSW will never get close to maxing it out.
     
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    No there is a production line issue. The prices are increased for all amd processors atm
     
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    yes,
    same here. switching to external views especially with lossless scaling running causes major stutters
    have no idea why.
     
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    What CPU, GPU , resolution, screen percentage etc are you using?

    You’ll be pushing your machine too hard, I’m certain of it. What ever settings you have, your machine has to be able to maintain your target fps otherwise lossless scaling isn’t going to work properly.
     
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    I don't think it's impacted the production lines yet, but the dreadful floods that are affecting the Clinchfield area (among many others) have cut off one of the only quarries for the ultra-pure silica (sand) that is needed to manufacture silicon chips, which could become a problem (and drive up prices because of scarcity).
     
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    Thats a productionline issue right? If they are missing parts thats what you call an issue in the productionline. Besides its not directly AMD it self but for example an third party issue.
     
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    I don't believe it's affecting current production (FABs hold stockpiles of such materials), but it might do in the future.
     
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    Why the prices are that high then?
     
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    Probably because commodities are bought in the futures markets and if traders hear news that could impact deliveries etc then the prices go up - simple economics!
     
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    Yeah that makes sense and a new range of proccessors are upcoming. Same like NVIDIA has stopt the delivery for the 4000 series to partners due the upcoming 5000 series
     
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    There was the threat of a huge dock worker strike in the US a few days ago. It was averted.
    Perhaps a cause of some price weirdness?
     
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    Pretty sure they've stopped making the 4090 chipsets (https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...4090-before-its-too-late-shortages-predicted/), not stopped deliveries of the others. There's a lot of 40 series cards and chips still in manufacturing plants across the world that will be turned into 40 series cards, once they've gone, the prices will start to rise on 40 series, hopefully nVidia and it's partners can keep up with 50 series demand this time and don't send the prices through the stratosphere.
     
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    I understand that 4080 are ceasing production shortly too in order to clear inventory for the upcoming 50xx cards. I have seen initial benchmarks for the 5080 which seems to be outperformed by a 4090 (more CUDA cores, memory bus & memory bandwidth all superior in the 4090) although the 5090 seems a beast of a card…probably need a mini power station at home to run it lol
     
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    Thats correct and the others will follow also shortly.... I will guess before January all 4000 series are stopt in production. They expect that NVIDIA will announce the 5000 series next January at the next large event in America
     
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    Dumb user question. When I open the dynamic ini section should I see the values that have been loaded? I'm just seeing a section saying values go here and I;m not seeing any change in graphics.
     
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    Yes, you should. Have you followed the instructions in the manual?
     
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    Yep, dumb user. Copied godmode.sav file into both the saved and same folder as engine.ini and that seems to break it. Just got the one and now its working.
     
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    Excellent!
     
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    Well, a breakthrough! Yesterday I decided to try something radical to eke a bit more performance out of my old potato, so I turned the game fps all the way down to 20 and set Lossless Scaling to 3x.

    Wow!
    Not only does it run smooth as buttah, LS really works, but I saved enough headroom to crank up the screen percentage. TSW has never looked this good for me since the TSW2 days.
     
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    That’s amazing to hear!
     
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    Definitely YES. Especially on double-CCD CPUs. Reason? Core Parking. Google it. (although in all fairness, based on rumours 9950X3D supposedly having both CCDs with 3D cache, less relevant in the future, but it is still better to have proper core parking working to eliminate cross-CCD communication introducing latency).
    Even change from single CCD to double CCD CPU is not recommended within the same CPU generation switch , although there are reportedly some ways how to make it work properly without OS reinstall.
     
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    The reason is well known... ZEN5 is selling horribly and 9800X3D should come out soon. AMD does not want to be in the position with lots on 7800X3D in stock so they are ramping up production of 9800X3D in place of 7800X3D. Simple economics.
    Plus of course after the reviews of first ZEN 5 CPUs, people started buying 7800X3D like hot cakes, so there's also that :)
     
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    Ryzen 9 5900X
    RTX 3080
    4k sometimes. anything under 4k looks very blurry. maybe because i'm using a 4k smart tv as a monitor
    with lossless i use between 100 to 115 screen percentage. without, i use between 90 to 100 with the sky set at very high.
     

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