Just wondering now that part of the Bakerloo is getting upgraded, does this mean that Harrow and Wealdstone will actually get to look like the real Harrow and Wealdstone? Here is a video of someone walking around Harrow Wealdstone and as you can see platform 2 is not narrow as it is in TSW, platform 1 has an exit to toilets with ramps with handrails either side, but in TSW they are not there not even the door? The upper part of the platform building is like grey in TSW, but in real live it is white. Platform 2 only has one building on it, where in real life there is two with bench seats in between the buildings, no help points...the list could go on. Thank you for the video MetroCheck.
I’m presuming that the section from Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone will be remastered, not just cut and paste like the old section of New York - Trenton. DTG Matt - can you please confirm this. Thank You.
This is why they won't do a Bakerloo remaster, because the critical bit is getting remastered for TSW5 and the rest is tunnels.
Yeah, hopefully? Harrow and Wealdstone was my local train station, so I was looking forward to seeing a digital recreation of it in TSW world, but when I got there it was way off the actual station, the layout, the construction materials used etc. DTG need to visit the station in person to see what I mean.
They showed some of those stations briefly in the roadmap (I think when they were talking about fast travel) and from my memory it did look like things have changed, like signage, railings, etc... I am not experienced in how they look in real life but it looked like they used some of the stuff from Goblin line.
We do not know if the ground level section of Bakerloo has been improved for WCML. You think it would have been, but then they did essentially copy & paste a decent size section of NEC:NYT. At the very least though they’ll have had to work on the track, to implement third rail functionality. So far they’ve got Willesden Junction wrong every time they’ve put it in TSC or TSW, let’s see if they can finally get that right too.
Yeah, we can only hope because I think the main underground station are not bad, so if they just smarten up the ones from Queens Park, fix Wilsden Junction and Harrow and Wealdstone then it would be fantastic. London Overground goes through Harrow Wealdstone down to Euston, so if DTG wanted to increase their route hopping capability? I said it before, you need a few different routes coming out of one station, it gives variety, if this can be done via route hopping then so be it.
That is true, but you cannot drive a full BKL service on the "remastered" route (it's not a remaster by any means; it's part of a new route which just so happens to overlap with an existing one) - as it ends at Queens Park, rather than going into the tunnels. And, if they were backporting the upgrades to Bakerloo then they'd have said so, so a Bakerloo Remaster would still have a lot of value.
I would even settle for just suspension on the 72 stock at this point. Seems like an oversight going from a 350/390 on the WCML with all of the new bells and whistles and then hoping on a non suspension 710 or 72Stock. I can already picture the tickets being submitted to support asking why their train is broken. As much as I would love to see a remastered Bakerloo, it would probably be a monumentous task having to re-bake the lighting and adding appropriate lighting sources for Tod4, so that's completely understandable. Some stations like Piccadilly Circus would ideally be redone, which I doubt they have the capacity to do something like that.
Ok the critical bit is getting done as part of a new route then, remaster/new whatever. I can't ever see the tunnels being a priority for a remaster as we won't be seeing much anyway.
Yeah, it is tod 4 joining up to Bakerloo, the question is bound to come up when is Bakerloo becoming tod 4, I think it would be great, but would DTG do it?
The overground section of the Bakerloo Line has not been remastered. Regardless of the tunnels not being much; the Bakerloo Line is still only available in it's TSW2 form. You cannot drive a full BKL service on a TSW5-standard line.
I'm a bit confused. Do you mean it's not new/remastered or whatever when you drive the Bakerloo Line? TBH I rarely drive the underground so not a deal breaker for me. WCML is coming with 1972 stock so I presume that is run on the above ground sections which will be new? I'm happy just to see them on the line as a layer. Can we drive them on that section above ground? The tunnels don't need remastering when most of the time you're looking at a headlight arc in the blackness, and the stations are fine as artificial light IMO. Much better routes for Liam to work his magic on.
You can drive partial services on WCML; if you want to drive the full Bakerloo Line, the overground section will remain at TSW2 standards. I am not talking about the underground section needing a remaster.
I am guess what happened to Harrow and Wealdstone is DTG started at The Elephant and the Castle and worked their way out and by the time they got as far as Harrow and Wealdstone they had enough and rushed it to get it out? It is ashame you cant access other platforms other than 1 & 2. With the WCML it would be nice for train spotting if nothing else?
As non “London Overground” trains don’t use Platforms 1 and 2, I would assume that the other platforms will be accessible. I hope so anyway.
It's not ideal but if they don't end up remastering BKL you could always drive from H&W to Queens Park on the WCML route, hop to BKL and continue the journey to E&C.
Bakerloo is not getting a TOD4 update yet remains on the Special Edition. So newcomers will instantly think there is a fault with it since the lighting will be off compared to everything else in the pack.
The 1952 Harrow and Wealdstone rail crash "The accident accelerated the introduction of British Railways' Automatic Warning System (AWS),[24] which had received scepticism by some industry expenditure-prioritising experts who theorised more lives would be saved by installing more track circuits and colour light signals.[25] By 1977, one third of British Rail tracks had been fitted with AWS" from wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrow_and_Wealdstone_rail_crash
The question here is how the bakerloo overground section is built in tsw5. Possibility 1: The wcml includes to use LU overground services on the bakerloo too until queens park, where you can "route hop" to the regular bakerloo. Possibility 2 (which is i think the case). The LU overground section on wcml has no playable services, but all kind of a.i services and you can "route hop" from queens park, wembley central or harrow over to bakerloo. Worst case the wcml bakerloo section is not even accessable.
Yeah, you might be right, it all look legit jump off one train to try and get on the Bakerloo to drive it, but non visual wall stops you. Even if the Bakerloo is brought up to tod 4, there are two services or two routes in TSW running at the same time, I don't think it can do it, I hope I am wrong? Or you might be able to just ride Bakerloo from Harrow Wealdstone to Queens Park, but the track disappears at Queens Park. Again, they would or should do up Harrow Wealdstone.
A quick screen shot taken off DTG promtion video posted today, Queens Park I believe? Can't really make out if it is upgraded?
You'll get the H&W to Queen's Park section ticked off on the WCML, then when you take over the service on the Bakerloo Line, the objectives from Harrow to Queen's Park will all be automatically completed with maximum score, so when you arrive at Elephant and Castle, you complete the service on the Bakerloo timetable as well. Going north, however, does require you to abandon the Bakerloo Line service at Queen's Park, so you'll only get the timetable completed on the WCML and not the Bakerloo Line.
