Tsw3 - The Cat Is Out Of The Bag & The Unofficial Tsw3 Speculation Thread

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  1. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    I totally disagree here, I don't think Old Vern was in any way being nasty or not very nice. He is entitled to his opinion on whether TSW3 is value for money and he has given his reasoning why it isn't, that's called feedback and if none of us ever gave negative feedback then nothing will improve, he didn't resort to name calling and calling the Devs every name under the sun so think you are being a little precious on DTG behalf.
     
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    I was not intending to reject anyone from giving negative feedback. That’s why it’s called a forum. The thing is, that I really don’t like that people here are often very fast with looking at what we don’t have, instead of looking what we have.
    I did not mean to offend anyone here, and if that’s the case I apologise! I was only intending to let people think about all the nice things we get, instead of only picking out the things we don’t.
     
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  3. whatshappin

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    Will the old tsw2 routes continue to be improved and fixed ?
     
  4. Callum B.

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    I pulled them from the Xbox store page. I don't see any further SoS screenshots for TSW3.

    Cheers
     
  5. DTG JD

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    The current Preservation Crew updates on the Roadmap are currently planned to be released for both games (they may come to TSW3 before TSW2 though).
     
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  6. tallboy7648

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    We are entitled to our own opinions. Nobody here has to be nice to DTG. They are trying to sell us a product and we have a right to praise the product and criticize the product as we see fit. If you don't like that then perhaps these fourms are not the best place for you.

    I hear the Facebook discussions of tsw tend to have "positivity". Perhaps that would be a better place for you if you can't handle constructive criticism
     
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  7. dhekelian

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    nice to hear about GWE but I am right in thinking the UK standard pack featuring the SEHS will cost me £29.99 if I have the route or not? I'm sure I saw it stated there will be no discount which I find disappointing. So basically DTG is charging for updates. Could you explain why these updates could not be put into TSW2?

    I'll be the first to give positive feedback when I see value in purchasing a new game. If you are happy to pay for a weather update then great but please do not expect everyone to fall in line especially in this 'cost of living' crisis many are going through. If I shell out for a new game I'd to feel that is a worthwhile purchase and tbh TSW3 to me at this moment in time is anything but.

    The Bethesda way DTG trolled us with the unveiling of TSW3 left some of us feeling , meh. DTG had the opportunity to introduce something new, especially with the UK route. Like the Carlisle route plus a new Loco to boot but no, what do we get? A slightly longer SEHS with the same Loco's. Instead of this TSW3 if DTG had concentrated on the fixes that were promised, fixed the lighting, fixed the console problems and released a few Loco's to flush out all the empty routes I would bet a lot more people would be happy don't you?
     
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  8. eldomtom2

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    Well that's another thing. We were told that they were taking a break to work on fixes. It turns out that was a lie.
     
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  9. Mr JMB

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    I am confused if the lighting is not coming to the routes in TSW2 even in their TSW3 versions, why not? I thought it was a core change to the entire lighting system. That is a big issue really, as I am sure you aren't about to remake all of the routes so many items that people have will be stuck with duff lighting.
     
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  10. chieflongshin

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    Agree with chap above. Be thankful for all the awesome things you are getting. Miserable sods. Personally I’ll snap it all up bar that lame duck SOS
     
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  11. dhekelian

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    You should add the word 'IF' to the start of my quote in your message. ;)

    TBH I think DTG might be looking to forget TSW2 a.s.a.p.
     
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  12. Train Sim 9723

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    Only really if you are remaining with TSW2 and not TSW3 or your not interested in the new extension Version and select either US, SOS or German pack

    Edit: same thing kind of happened with the BR182 with HBL and RT, only differences are mostly livery and service type
     
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  13. chieflongshin

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    Tsw2 will disappear faster than they’ll ever admit. 9 platforms over two games. No chance. Just wait until you get all the people start asking if tsw3 features will be backported to 2.

    those ones are out there in the player base who won’t comprehend it’s a new game
     
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  14. tallboy7648

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    It'll be interesting to hear why they are charging players for an updated version of the same game again even though they "felt bad" about charging for TSW 2 but I think it's clear why they did what they did.

    Money talks in the end $$$$$
     
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  15. Mr JMB

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    I am asking about the routes which will be ported into TSW3 from TSW2. I know the ones in TSW2 are dead in the water, but what about when we play GWE TVL NTP etc in TSW3 - do we get just the dynamic weather or the new lighting system and passengers with umbrellas etc?
     
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    I’m saving my comments until I’ve seen the roadmaps and potentially the live stream because there are some answers I need before I go full on with my praise or wraith. As with all things there are both good and bad here and some usual odd choices by DTG. Extending SEHS was the perfect choice for not having to make a new train but beyond that a little strange for example. At least if we already own it we can get it for free by buying it again. That’s going to be my running gag for quite some time I feel.
     
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  17. Train Sim 9723

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    I’ve heard (take with pinch of salt as I can’t find to clarify it)

    lighting is TSW3 routes only

    Lightning is TSW2+3 (not %100 heard anything on Preserved TSW1) Same goes with Weather settings
     
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  18. Calidore266

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    I'm feeling like the reason this is a new paid version instead of a core patch like Rush Hour is that the new features and changes required an extensive rewrite of the code rather than just tweaks. Basically, DTG feels that the investment of time and money they put into this upgrade justifies releasing it as a new game. Granted, an assumption.
     
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    No, it wasn't. DTG has recently released numerous fixes, and they were certainly working on TSW3 when those came out.

    Furthermore, I don't think they would dare abandon the fixes and Preservation Crew updates they still have in queue. One, it would send a terrible message to both TSW2 players looking to upgrade and to new players about DTG's commitment to them. Two, the beefy specs apparently needed to run TSW3 well, especially the still-pricey GPUs, probably means lots of current TSW2 players who want to upgrade are going to have to hold off.

    For DTG to simply abandon TSW2 now would be very much shooting themselves in the foot for no gain.
     
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  20. Train Sim 9723

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    not too mention work still ongoing for livery compatibility of preservation Collection
     
  21. Princess Entrapta

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    So, when replacing the lighting system for any game, there's a lot more than just replacing it within the engine.
    There's a whole load of work needs to be done within individual maps within the game to alter every light source to function under the new system. Look at stuff like Digital Foundry's in-depth video on how the Metro Exodus devs adapted all that game's maps to use the new lighting system included in their raytracing update. Everything had to be ripped out and replaced, because the lighting system now worked on wholly different principles. In TSW2, all that lighting baked into the older routes will need to be reworked for the new system, or you'll get messy areas with lighting bugs. So yeah, adding it would be a matter for the preservation crew, and need to be done on a route by route basis.
     
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  22. Callum B.

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    As much as I would love to see the older routes upgraded, I have a feeling that the task of reconfiguring all the light sources in a route to match the new lighting system is out the Preservation Crew's reach. DTG did say that the new SEHS version was built practically from scratch, and I have a suspicion that the lighting setup massive contributed to the headache. I doubt we will see the new lighting, but maybe if we're lucky we might get some volumetric clouds to complement the dynamic weather.

    Cheers
     
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  23. mattdsoares

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    I mean I guess you could look at the lighting improvments and weather a a fix...though not a free one lol.
     
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  24. Crosstie

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    :D

    I too am waiting for more information, though I must admit to being pretty impressed at this point. We're getting several things that we've been asking for forever, it seems, lighting upgrade, dynamic weather, smarter NPC's, longer routes.

    I'm not yet sold on the new UI, it looks a bit confusing. And no upgraded map. That's a big letdown for me.

    The price grid is also less than intuitive. But with a 10% discount and early access, I'll probably pop for the Deluxe, even though I own SEHS and SOS, since it'll be only $5 more than the Standard, just to make sure I don't miss out on anything.

    But I still want to watch the streams before laying down the moola.
     
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  25. Crosstie

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    You have a right to your opinion, but so does OldVern. It's not necessary to " be nice" to DTG. It's a company, not a person. So, if someone is constructively critical, that actually helps DTG more than giving them unfettered praise. I and others on the forum, including you, if memory serves me, have been both critical and complimentary where appropriate over the last few years, and that's how it should be.

    Do you think we'd be getting all the " nice things " in TSW3, if we, on the forum hadn't complained about their absence ad nauseam?
     
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  26. Callum B.

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    Now if they were a corporation then they would earn personhood. ;)

    Cheers
     
  27. meridian#2659

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    Still dont get the part with the existing tsw 2 content.

    I own every single tsw2 dlc. So in this case it means i need to buy the tsw3 base pack and SEHS & SOS will be updated to tsw 3 standard for free?
    Also i can still run every other tsw 2 dlc, and if for example London 2 Brighton comes out for tsw 3, ill get it for free because i have it already in tsw2?

    One thing is for sure. I dont spend money in something to buy it again 2 years later.
     
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    To be honest, it can’t be any worse than TSW2’s UI, so I’ll take it.
     
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    I wonder what type of performance “recommended” gets and what fps?
    I have a 2080ti, i9-10900 and 64gb of Ram

    I’m wondering if I’ll still get 60fps and ultra settings at 1440


    1281A7B9-C101-4C33-B15C-877A17868513.jpeg
     
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  30. OldVern

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    They are a business not a charity. They are not working on it for the love of the game, they are working on ot for a pay cheque - this is not some freeware project for MSTS or TSC.

    At no point in my posts on here have I been rude or offhand to DTG as a company or individuals. However, lighting, sound and the save game are probably the three biggest issues which afflict TSW2 and I really don’t see much point in spending £40 on a new version with three routes I don’t really want if it’s not going to improve previous content.

    As a consumer or a potential customer I am simply asking some factual questions which will determine if and/or when I actually buy the product.
     
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    touché :D
     
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    Will the new DLCs already include new lights and weather?

    I'm talking about which will be released later. Not 3 basic.
     
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    As far as I'm aware, yes.

    Yes.

    Time will tell in regards to that..

    This is similar to what happened with TSW2020 when TSW2 was announced. Some people don't mind and will be happy to pay for TSW3, others will moan, some may never buy it, but most will bite the bullet eventually. I personally don't see the point in buying as the standard version will be available on GamePass but if I did eventually buy it then I look at it from the view that, I don't own any of the new routes so would I be happy to pay £24.99 (standard price of route DLC) x 3 for them plus new features and upgrades or £39.99 for 3 new routes plus new features and upgrades..
     
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    I thought the older routes were being upgraded with these features? Have I misunderstood?
     
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    Sure I read somewhere on here they’re not, which is what prompted my post last night. DTG need to confirm this.
     
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  36. chieflongshin

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    Dont know OldVern to be honest mate.
     
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    As far as I know they are being upgraded if you own TSW3; e.g. the new weather will come to older routes. The only feature that the old routes don’t get is the new lighting. But as far as I’m aware, only in TSW3- but would be cool to be proven wrong!
     
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    From what I've seen:
    The routes that are being supplied with the base game and the deluxe addition (to SoS) are all being updated with all the new features
    ***EDIT*** If you own the TSW2 SEHS or the TSW2 SoS you will get these DLC in the NEW version in TSW3 rather than having to "buy them again". So if you get the US TSW3 bundle you get the updated SEHS if you owned that route in TSW2

    All other routes are being supplied "in TSW form" so old skybox clouds etc, but the things which are part of the core will be on all routes

    A note from DTG on what those core features are would be good, but that's what the two roadmaps should kick off this week. Hopefully ONE will concentrate on what's happening with TSW2 and the other will concentrate on what's moving / copying / upcoming in TSW3 rather than it being a hodgepodge of both
     
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    For me I'm gonna have to go for the German regional edition. I don't really have a defined love of German trains, as I am more of an Amtrak guy (add the Acela please I beg you), but to be honest the ICE 1 looks very promising, and actually did a tour of north America with the Amtrak logo on it. For Cajon I could just get it in Run8 and play multiplayer with my friends, not to mention that in Run8 you actually feel tension going up the slopes as you don't know if your going to snap a knuckle, and the fact that you can have multiple engine faults makes the experience amazing. I've already got SEHS so I don't really care about that, and steam isn't really my thing so German edition it is.

    I don't mind playing 10 dollar's for a new version of tsw with some quality improvements, however my wallet is not infinite, so please don't keep releasing new tsw titles (looking at you tsw 4) unless there's a giant update. This is not horrible thought.

    *Edit: Fixed bad grammar*
     
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  40. Calidore266

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    This is how I'm understanding it, too. It sounds like TSW3 has implemented backwards compatibility to play TSW2 routes as is (just requiring a re-download), while beefing the routes up with TSW3 features a la SEHS 2 would be a manual development process and a separate release.

    And keeping in that full backwards compatibility on top of rewriting the game for all this other stuff must have taken quite some work, so big thanks to DTG for that.
     
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    They are a corporation (which have been legal persons for centuries; otherwise they couldn't own property, enter into contracts etc etc)
     
  42. ARuscoe

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    We shall see how much of a rework / import / cut and paste the TSW2 versions were to TSW3. It could be they're exactly the same as the old ones and given it's the same UE4.26 engine there would not necessarily be much to do to get them to work (unlike going from TSW1 to TSW2 where they had things like signal lights changing to cars etc)
     
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    You are a correct. As a Limited Company in the UK they are a type of corporation. Ergo, DTG are a person.
    Q.E.D.

    Cheers
     
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    Oh, my bad then. If DTG is a person, I'll start being much nicer to them/it/he/she.



    (NOT!! :D )
     
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    Perhaps someone could explain why TSW2 could not have been upgraded with the same result as TSW3 given you can play your old routes in TSW3, I understand only some are getting upgraded. And given it is the same engine.

    The cynic in me says 'money grab'. Surely if the same old routes can be played in TSW3 the same old problems will exist as well no? DTG seem to be very proud of this new lighting and I hope it is brilliant so can we see a picture of a station around 1.oo AM?
     
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    My take on this :
    the UI and core upgrades may have other consequences we don't know about, the largest of which would be the disassociation of the loco assets from the routes, which means the TSW3 DLC will likely be a different structure from the TSW2 ones (similar to how TSC ones are maybe) so there would possibly be all sorts of issues with having two versions of the DLC on the same game with different core structures.
    In other words it may well be structurally required to have a separate version of the program to address the differences in the DLC and in effect DTG have bundled this up with new DLC to "soften the blow" perhaps?
     
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    I strongly suspect they have not been dissaciated from the routes, it's just that in future they'll all be associated with the Training Centre route which everyone has. If they were actually changing the file structure old loco DLCs probably wouldn't still require the corresponding route DLC in TSW3.
     
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    Which is what they said would be true... I haven't seen any TSW3 versions of loco DLC to check if that's the case but that's what they said on the announcement stream
     
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    I'm pretty certain DTG have said they won't be doing that at launch, they implied that it would be something they'd look at doing in the future though. Granted, this is DTG, so who knows what sort of time scale that's on, could be next week, could be never.
     
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    [​IMG]
    There are some (ie lots of) gaps in this picture for everything outside of the TSW3 core routes
     

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