Tsw3 - The Cat Is Out Of The Bag & The Unofficial Tsw3 Speculation Thread

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  1. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    Now if it isn't called tsw3, what would they call if then? I highly doubt the summer update will bring major new features. I also think charging for a "new game" when it's the same game with minor new features (like what happened with TSW 2020 and TSW 2) would not be a good idea. (Although sports games seem to get away with this every year)
     
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  2. ARuscoe

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    Partially.
    Let's put it this way (all UK based), in real life for a driver to have passed a signal it must have not been red. This means they wouldn't just stop and would continue to the next signal. The signal behind them would be yellow. Therefore any train which is NOT facing a red should proceed at whatever speed is allowable given context
    This doesn't seem to have been programmed into the game but is the basis of how things work in real life. Once you have permission to proceed you proceed until something tells you otherwise

    There's also things like stopping at stations and not being able to swap out trains of different lengths. This should be dynamic (or at least more intelligently than it is now)

    I was very disappointed when Matt said last night that they're now NOT working on dynamic routing into platforms or sidings because "what they have now is good enough to satisfy the new Bakerloo timetable". Obviously my disappointment is my problem, but for me it is STILL a problem that could be fixed which would solve several issues down the line

    Obviously I have very little input into where TSW is or is going, but those were my thoughts on it back when TSW didn't have a 2 at the end
     
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  3. ARuscoe

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    Train Sim World : A new hope
     
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  4. stujoy

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    True. It’s all speculation and there will be as many arguments for not changing to UE5 as there are for changing. It’s all a good thought exercise to speculate about it. I would say that moving would unlock more potential than improving what they have in UE4 but it would be another big leap with potential issues arising. Similarly, any huge improvement within UE4 is likely to involve much work making all the current content compatible with the changes, so a new game could still be required and not all the content would come with it. So many variables and options available to DTG and we’ll only really find out when they make an announcement.
     
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  5. tallboy7648

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    Ah yes. The force will guide DTG to not release a summer update riddled with bugs and not make the game unplayable.
     
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  6. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but we're not going down the path of what colour wand they have, of course it's likely a pink one if Matt has anything to say about it

    (Some might say this conversation is descending into anarchy)
     
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  7. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Anarchy or not. JD knows how to get the forums lit.

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  8. mariussoare_84

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    This is a good reason to now change the frequency of the roadmap to quarterly. Less possibilities to make errors. Problem solved. :)

    I don´t think that they will make changes deep enough for a proper TSW 3 to be born. They could still be following the TSC/TS20xx model to sightly change something for an opportunity to sell the same product again but rebranded.
     
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  9. FD1003

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    I think the difference is that if they call it TSW3 the expectations for the players is that is going to be a jump similar to the one between TSW1 and 2.

    For all we know what they call TSW3 might be a "Tilting Thunders" update with the ICE-T on the German Route, Acela on the US Route and a WCML. We have no idea yet, what I am saying is that I wouldn't assume there will be as big as an update as there was between TSW1 and 2 until we know how the update is officially called, or better yet, exactly what will change.
     
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  10. Ravi

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    UE5? I think they are in 4.26 currently or something. They made us pay for the upgrade from 4 to that version. They will probably make us pay when they upgrade to 5 as well. So it is probably a couple years to go until we get there.
     
  11. ARuscoe

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    4.13 to 4.26 which was purportedly a big leap in development between the two
     
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  12. euaningarfill

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    I would rather have dtg test and make dlc that work all the articles rush hour busy commuter route with all the passengers going to be amazing yet they produced a route that was far to memory intensive before adding in passengers i don't care about passengers but stating a point there are still lots of people wanting it as it was hyped up but failed

    And 5 years in most games is the end so dtg have had plenty of time to sort things out so what you are saying is that we need to give them all the time in the world for then to make good dlc that have nearly no bugs
     
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  13. JustWentSouth

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    Tilting Thunder!
    I am all in!
     
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  14. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    5 years for a train sim is next to nothing. And no game in the history of video games has had nearly no bugs. Your expectations are too high
     
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  15. euaningarfill

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    Most games have bugs but the amount dtg have in every dlc is huge
    5 years for max 50 miles of route 2 massive upgrades you should be expecting much more froma train game
    Not big commuter lines
    Still has yet to attract pc players
     
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  16. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    Have you even played any other video game?
    I'm a PC player and I'm attracted to the game, as are many others in the forums (or do you just think we all hang around the PC forum too pretend we have gaming PCs?). If you mean it hasn't broken main stream gaming then you are correct but it never will. Rail Sims are a niche market. That's the stone cold facts.
     
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  17. euaningarfill

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    Most pc players still playing ts and steam data shows that and even dtg says tsw is2/3 console
     
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  18. ARuscoe

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    More people spend more time with the TSC program open than they do with the TSW program open. Given this could include people spending dozens of hours trying to get a single scenario to work in scenario planner (been there done that) whereas in TSW the average run is half an hour it's not a balanced comparrison

    So, get the number of PC players, multiply by three, then compare to PC only TSC players... Then you have a fair comparrison
     
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  19. 59321747

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    TSW3, an irresponsible guess, is likely to update the engine to Unreal 5, fix various bugs that were not fixed before, and develop a longer mileage DLC route to "bring the surrounding scenery closer to reality", "more realistic Sound and Operation", "Stronger AI and Player Interaction", "Better Reflect the Charm of the Train and the Driving Feeling of the Driver".
     
  20. redrev1917

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    You know people can play both TSC and TSW don't you? I mean I play both equally. TSC is far more hardcore, lower graphics and longer runs (atleast the routes I do). Many long term TSC players have massive collections and even if they do own TSW2 do you really think we are going to write off out investment in TSC move over 100% to TSW.

    If you think the bugs are bad in TSW then I pray you don't try some TSC routes which have major game play breaking bugs which will never be fixed.
     
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  21. hyperlord

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    Oh no! My collection! I'm a little bit worried by now
     
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  22. chieflongshin

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    Right, for those that keep regurgitating Unreal 5. Park it, its not happening. Just because someone released a nice station video it doesnt mean DTG are salivating over a build now.

    Theyve said numerous times, its years away. Imagine if tomorrow all combustion vehicles were banned and you had to use electric because nothing else worked. Systems globally would crumble.

    Thats the same with unreal 5. Its a current gen breaker if you want that station demo,.
     
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  23. ARuscoe

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    This is supposed to stop me wanting it why?
     
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  24. Purno

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    Personally, I don't expect much from this "TSW3". I guess it might just be a regular update with a few new features, but nothing too major.

    Certainly not another UE version. I believe they've learned their lesson with the previous update and the whole preserved collection update that still isn't completely finished...
     
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  25. trainsimplayer

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    1/3 PC
    1/3 Xbox
    1/3 Playstation

    That's fair. Console is a bigger market generally
     
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  26. Coastway trainspotter

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    I remember when UE5 was talked about before and Matt said ‘it would be like picking a house up and putting it down in a new location’ or something along those lines , so I don’t think UE5 could happen this year
     
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  27. DTG JD

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    Thanks, everyone for noticing my *ahem* deliberate mistake.

    Just promise me you'll act surprised when something more official comes along.

    As you'll have probably guessed, I won't be providing any more information (unless another rogue Teams message shows up on stream) until any official announcements.
     
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  28. JonnE

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    So you won't need a new haircut as a future PM?
     
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  29. Oystein

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    I don't understand why people think UE5 is like a new game engine, it isn't. Using UE5 doesn't mean you have to use all the new features.
    "Unreal Engine 5 is backward-compatible with projects created in Unreal Engine 4.26, 4.27, and UE5 Early Access."
    Falling behind will make an upgrade in the future even more difficult.

    The question is rather which console that has support for UE5 at this time. A large part of DTG's marked might still use consoles that doesn't support it.

    And I don't understand why people are surprised with a new version called "TSW3", I'm sure there will be 4,5, etc. if they do not change the name completely..
     
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  30. DTG JD

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    Genuinely booked a barber's appointment yesterday. Absolutely not for this reason.
     
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  31. smugstarlord#4202

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    Has anyone from DTG confirmed or denied anything yet?
     
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  32. OldVern

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    No. There is a tongue in cheek post from "JD" a few back but we will have to wait for anything official, hopefully not too long.
     
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    Look up a couple posts lol. This is quite exciting!

    Should this become the official TSW3 speculation thread?

    Hopes/wishes/dreams:

    Dispatcher improvements- number one in my book, and would have the biggest impact on gameplay.

    Memory optimization- crucial to having more and smarter AI traffic.

    Route modularity- I hope TSW3 routes are designed to fit together where appropriate.

    Improved/more immersive railway operations- i'm most familiar with US Freight where MU/DPU operations are not simulated anywhere near reality. Also cab signals, coupling, etc. I'm sure there are similar issues with other railway systems.

    Lighting and Sound improvements

    Scenario planner 2.0 with consist editor and much more functionality.
     
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  35. FD1003

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    Now this makes TSW3 properly exciting. Can't wait to learn more :D
     
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  36. jacob.davies1855

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    I would love to see a quick drive feature - could really make loco dlcs more desirable.
     
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  37. Bradley

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    Dynamic weather? Better night lighting sparks and arcs would be nice
     
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  38. Mich

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    Well, if there really is a new game my journey with TSW's gonna end up taking at least a long pause. It took several months and a half-off sale to convince me to upgrade the first time, and I don't see myself doing different this time.
     
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  39. tallboy7648

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    Multiplayer anyone? It is the most requested feature of this game
     
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  40. tallboy7648

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    This is something I can't guarantee I'm afraid ;)
     
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  41. CrAzZyKiLLa

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    More rumours (strong source) are that both the routes currently on the roadmap (german & US routes) ARE for TSW3 (Full confirmation hopefully to come in due course)
     
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  42. docsnyder1911

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    Not good for the ammount of sales.
     
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  43. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    DTG JD you need to have a beer and some nibbles bought for you for livening the community up today. Legend!
    Perhaps Bojo has some spare kicking around from a work meeting.,...
     
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  44. JustWentSouth

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    I totally agree with this wishlist!
     
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  45. redrev1917

    redrev1917 Well-Known Member

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    JD - top marks for the response. And you have my word that I'll look shocked when it's officially announced.
     
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  46. chieflongshin

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    I have updated my signature accordingly. How many shocked signatures can we get on the forum?
     
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  47. Suryaaji#2369

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    Still so many things to fix in TSW2 and yet they already started to think about TSW3.

    Big no no for me unless all their current addons & DLC get ported to TSW3 and automatically downloaded for those who already have it in TSW2
     
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  48. redrev1917

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    I can't believe that DTG wouldn't port over the majority of routes onto TSW3. There might be the odd exception where its not possible. I have a feeling that the original IoW might be one of those exceptions for whatever reason.
     
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  49. rjeeves#3580

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    I'm working on mine. How's this...
    'WOW, a new TSW that came out of nowhere. How to DTG manage to keep stuff like this a secret. They must have a leak detection system better than the local water company.'
    I think I've hit the right tone.
    On a serious note, I am quietly looking forward to it, DTG know what the need to improve on and hopefully we will see improvements. I'm not expecting anything too big (we'll enough to justify a new game and not just an annual update).
     
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  50. chieflongshin

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    I'm going to actively advocate creating shocked signatures in your personal profile. Consider it my support for Jd. :D
     
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