Hi All, I’m new to posting on here however I’m very pleased and delighted to see the detailed improvements over the last few years for the TSW simulators games. A lot of time and effort spent making the game as realistic as it possibly can be. With regards to TSW5 soon to be on the horizon, is there any chance we could be seeing some classic routes and old classic locos added to the game such as the Class 50s & 60s? I’ve read some old posts with regards to the Bristol - Padd route being a pick for the new game? Cheers
What? Sorry TSW5 is not planned at the moment and also not in the near future so your'e message is a little strange....
If you want a specific route, post it in suggestions. Don't know how a 'TSW5 is on the horizon', there's nothing, apart from speculation, to suggest it's coming.
If it is in the works will be September, 6 months. You could go in the suggestions forum and put a suggestion in there. The only classic routes are the 2 steam ones, the Tees Valley and Northern Trans Peninne. Oh you have West Somerset and kind of classic is West Cornwall Local. So 6 altogether. There is now a route editor as well so people can make their own routes. If you want to sell it you have to become a 3rd party with DTG/Epic.
oh please no I am not a fan of old trains fetish... personally, I prefer modern traction, or, if vintage/older locos/trains, then ones that are still in use today... I like to drive sth that I might ride as a passenger at some point
I like to stay away from this type of nonsense but this is what bickering and pettiness brings to the forums.. people believing in stuff like TSW5 is coming. I'm not saying there will never be a TSW5 but it is nowhere near a release. I'm also no where near blaming the OP here (Zac031) I'm more blaming those people who are very used to the forums and like to spread things and bring false facts that is easily read upon by new people to the forums. I'm talking to a very select few here so I'm not talking to a lot of people but a very select few.. and to those select few I do have to say, act your age this isn't a primary school playground where we spread rumours, this is a place to chat and suggest and connect with TSW players. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, in all honesty IDC what people say, but for the sake of others, grow up, do better have a lovely day
I actually used to think there was gonna be a TSW5 in the coming months but I genuinely now do believe there isnt gonna be one for atleast until Winter / Next year. Too much is coming for them to just abandon it for TSW5. (However much they do just abandon their DLC one they release it)
Good for you then, they are already in the game, all of them are all the same plastic **** We call them "plastraket" here in Sweden.
I dont understand why the train community are so against modern trains. If you cant handle change go to a therapist or something. Those old rattly tin cans cant run forever no matter how much you love them...
Personally I have nothing against modern trains, I mean they have made my life a whole lot easier, however there seems to be a lot of people who don't like old trains simply because they are old, which is why I feel I need to support them more as both deserve to have an equal representation in game. I certainly prefer my dirty diesels but all are very important in a train sim. Another reason could be the amount of modern routes the game has, and the increased similarity between different types of MUs than older locos.
Again, because they are all the same, that is the opposite of change... Me? I prefer the "rattly tin cans" as they don't spit out error codes every 5 minutes without any motivation, and many faults can easily be solved on the spot. I think you should go to a therapist if you can't handle the fact that other people have different opinions, because that's insane if anything. I don't like modern trains (there are exceptions), but nowhere have I talked down on people who do... Anyway, this is a game, so yes, they can theoretically run forever in the game.
Hopefully TSW5 isn't coming so soon... Would just be a lazy cash cow. They could instead make free updates.
it is called standardization... the last thing you want in your fleet is to have xy different locos, each having different operating procedures, patterns etc.... maintenance and training hell waiting to happen... lets take German locos/trains - yes, they might be a bit samey, but thats the point - once a driver (player) is trained in a couple of em, adapting to a new one is quick and smooth, and efficient they are also efficient to handle, have better acceleration, mostly... and in real life, also much safer, for everyone same with cars - people gush about Porsche Carrera GT cos it was more "hands on" and such, but hate on LaFerrari, cos it can also be driven without having to go through race driver training yes, thats a point old stuff didnt show some things, which led to accidents, which led to those complicated safety systems that "bother" you with messages and beeps... which is better than people getting killed IRL the point of modern traction is to take away some stuff from the driver, cos in some aspects machine is quicker and more reliable (there is a reason why old locos, despite having strong motors just arent allowed above certain speeds for example)... and thus the driver can keep more attention/focus on the track itself and other things which need his attention more, and all that leads to safer trains again, I will use an analogy from cars - F1... many like older stuff more, and hated on HALO protection element on the cars... until a couple accidents happened involving tyres flying through the air, which, if the HALO wasnt there, it would tear the driver's head off, literally.... and yes, old formula cars looked cool, evoked wildness and passion more than modern hi-tech stuffz, but then, modern ones allow more precision driving and are tons safer gameplay wise, I would always pick Vectron over lets say 155, even though it is well done... in Vectron I can set up easily and focus on the ride, instead of playing hide and seek with tons of switches also, tap changer locos, if you mishandled the "gears", you could literally set the loco on fire, very easily
It's too early for TSW 5. What I would really like in a big update would be VR headset support. It would be a big step for the whole game.
DTG rightly claim that they strive for absolute realism in TSW and your comment would suggest that they are achieving that. TSW4 is about as perfect a piece of software as anyone could expect and I am 100+% contented but if TSW5 was announced I would obviously assume that DTG had achieved the impossible and somehow miraculously improved on it so I would be first in line to buy the moment it becomes available. As for free updates, ROFL. My belly is hurting from laughing at the naivety of the entitlement culture we now live in. As a business DTG has to keep the cash flow going so as to pay staff wages, dividends to the owners and fund further essential innovations like station cats, extendable umbrellas and working lifts. I would like to see fully driveable trackside tractors and maybe even combine harvesters added to this already incomparably superb game so when the time comes I will be happy to contribute whatever the asking price is for TSW5 and I feel it is fair that others do so too.
If I were you I'd get off your high horse, steam isn't at all dead in the real world, look at heritage railways and rail tour companies mate. Also in the past the rail network were riddled with them and DTG can and should make routes set in the past. I would love to think you are being sarcastic but your posting history, and possible, some would say highly likely, 'relations' to another notorious poster makes me think otherwise.
I'd be surprised if this were true. This poster has much better grammar, spelling, punctuation and paragraphing than the other guy. So, unless he can change his writing style on a dime, I think they're two different people.
Ah, no I didn't, I talked down on that individual since he can't take that other people have different opinions. I know for a fact that you belive that only because you disagree with me on the original topic, which says more about you than me ^_^
Bro I'm not talking about a single company, I'm talking about every EU country that runs Flirts and Dostos everywhere, It's boring, why would I come home just to do the thing I just did and get paid for? Now that is simply untrue, infrastructure failing or human error is behind the majority of accidents, these wouldn't be allowed to run if your statement was true with all these EU regulations. I'd argue that random, unmotivated "störung" could potentially lead to them being ignored when they really matter, and me being sacked Well I would never pick that as I prefer engaging content, 155 being one of my favourites, It's engaging content. I didn't boot up a game to mindlessly watch 8 bit scenery, there's proper cabvideos of that on youtube, which is ironically what I usually watch on my second monitor while playing this game.
We don’t need or want TSW 5. Let DTG get 4 operating perfectly without bugs and if they do get 4 to perfection leave it without a new edition.
Pretty sure it's the same person, their posts are too much alike. The improved grammar is probably to make it seem like it's someone else.
I actually like Flirts, even though I prefer KISS... Slovak KISS 160 or Westbahn's KISS 200 are a thing of beauty... and I would like to drive stuff I often ride on as a passenger... if I understood correct, are you a raildriver? then your stance/opinion is understandable to a point I also like 155 but Vectron I still like more... with Taurus being my probably fav loco all in all, fair enough you like older traction, I like modern traction... if it is electric, I can enjoy also older stuffz
Whether we need, or want it. Is Irrelevant. If DTG/Focus want it, which I suspect they do, It will happen.
I have invested over £300 into TSW why should I not expect free updates? TSC runs on a 1 time purchase and then seperate purchases for DLC and thats doing completely fine. Id go as far as to say I prefer TSC. TSC is way more diverse, way more fun, way more customisable. I mean come on, we cant even create our own paths for scenarios on TSW... We cannot create our own routes, trains, all we can do is paint a train, create a scenario off a rigid template or drive a train...
Because it brings in money. We've had TSW3, then TSW4 back to back. Focus acquiring them is the major change between those two releases. So I would say that a TSW5 release this year is quite likely.
My 2p on TSW5 (and the release pattern is this) -: - TSW1 (2020) lasted from 2017/18 (use what you wish) to 2020, with one "annual release" (TSW2020) in the middle - TSW2: 2020-2022; one "annual release" (Rush Hour), not terribly much in terms of new features. - TSW3: 2022-2023; no mid-cycle release; and hardly anything released for it. The "new features" were a basic dynamic weather, and the upgraded lighting/skybox (I like the current skybox, especially at night.) TSW4, on the other hand, was quite sweeping in it's new features; effectively what should have been of TSW3. TSW4 also seems to have much more active development; whereas at this stage last year TSW3 was very quiet. The main thing I think will keep TSW4 going is the editor. I doubt Dovetail will move to a new title - unless the jump to UE5 (which I really don't see a need in) is made - because of how much work it would undo. We'll probably see a three-route bundle as usual this summer; especially with the frequency that DTG content is coming out. Also, a lot of third-party projects are ongoing, and, as we saw with Edinburgh-Glasgow; routes that are halfway between versions aren't helped much by that characteristic. Basically; I'm not betting on TSW5 this time round.
I think TSW5 coming this year depends quite a bit on sales of TSW4 and its respective dlc, if TSW4 is showing high profit etc then bringing out a rush hour style summer bundle for it could prove beneficial and continue the trend for another year, if they think TSW5 will bring more cash then it’s TSW5 this year, just my thoughts. Edit: if TSW5 does come this year, my plans are to wait and see which iteration brings the Z-Fighting fix for current and future content before purchasing, if TSW5 doesn’t then that one may be a complete miss for myself, after that it’s about applying the same question to TSW6 and so on etc. sure it will be unfortunate to miss on some content I’m particularly after if it turns up (class 91 etc) or even just become interested in (Goblin Line, DB 111 etc), but nope waiting is the best option if I want my current collection sorted.
Well, all in all, TSW3 and 4 had it's major improvements, somehow. Longer routes (SKW is almost 2 times longer than the longest route before, LGV, I think, 180 km:93 km round about and that may not be the top of what could be made...) came with TSW3 and the before frequently asked public editor with TSW4. Both of these changes, I guess, do have required quite a lot of initial planning and changing/adding new programme code (There maybe quite a remarkable additional changes like 'free roam', 'volumetric fog' so forth and so on, but all in all, the first mentioned changes do somehow justify a whole new version in my opinion). But, right now I really don't see such a massive change of the programming, that I can really say, a whole new version is justified. Taking this as measurement, me, I can't see such a major improvement, that I would be really tempted to buy the next 'whole new' version... All in all, I guess, they should watch, what or where these improvements lead, what people would create with the editor and well, maybe releasing some kind of rush hour update to improve more or less asked minor things...but not being to "hyperactive", releasing the next 'whole new version', before having a quite well defined idea, how a next version would really be justifing the 'whole new' argument.
I don't think anyone has a vendetta against modern traction, but some people enjoy the older stuff a bit more and exaggerate their point. In all honesty I used to think the same, why do people want older trains as opposed to new ones. Simply put, they are a heck of a lot more fun to drive!! I thought to give some of the AP stuff a try and it really does change your opinion. However, I still do like my Networkers. (I'm mainly referring to the tap-changer trains like the 86/87s, 411/412s and whatnot, I've not got that much of an interest for older diesels - HSTs and 60/66/68/70s will keep me happy in that regard.)
I always think TSW should go the mixed route, with a big focus on variety and not excluding particular traction/train types Though with DTG seemingly focused on maximising profit in that regard it doesn’t seem the way it will go much.
So, I look through the replies because I thought I may have misread something, but nope. Seems you're mostly just arguing against modern train in a pretty disrespectful manner. And what started it? Well, basically just you calling modern trains plastic "expletive" because someone prefers them. Pretty unnecessary, considering everyone at the end of the day likes trains, old or new they do the same thing.
I don't necessarily "dislike" them, I just don't care for them on an enthusiastic level. If it wasn't clear enough, I have nothing against you personally,
If you read the replies, you'd see that I said, that's what trainspotter and rail personnel call 'em here in Sweden. If YOU chose to get offended over that, that's YOUR issue, not mine. What started it was a fool claiming that people with other opinions than their own should seek therapy, if that isn't "unnecessary" and "disrespectful", I don't know what is. It is painfully obvious that you're biased in this discussion and isn't worth arguing with. With that being said, I have nothing against people who like modern trains, nor do I have anything against Razmatus, In fact the people I respect the most on this forums are people who like trains I couldn't care less about. I do however have "something" against the person I originally replied to, and you are just pushing your luck at this point, and it has nothing to with the train y'all enjoy.
fair enough this is actually probably my fav train of all - Siemens Desiro ML CityJet... even more than ICE or KISS or whichever... from a driving perspective (got 4744 on TSC, gave it a couple runs) it might actually be one of the most boring ones (if I am to go by your posts ), even though it has one supercool feature IMHO - at a setting which is usually labelled in TSW as "throttle - min power" it locks in whichever speed you're going... apart from looking really cool (I mean, regional trains have no right looking THIS good lol), what has given it a special place in my railfanning heart is its rapid acceleration... my fav runs on it as a real-life passenger were as CJX5 from St.Polten to Wien Westbahnhof (going full on balls to the wall 160 kmh) and CJX9 from Baden to Wien Hbf (also maxing out track speed limit of 150 and 140 kmh) dont remember the date, but I was to ride it from Wien Hbf to Seyring... first shock was when I was expecting those old 4020s to roll in, had no idea they changed their S-Bahn trains ... second shock, the interior, looking more impressive than some Slovak IC services ... and third, once it got out of Vienna, the acceleration pushed me into my seat <3 and yeah, I want Desiro ML CityJet in TSW as layer into pretty much all Austrian regional services (4744/4746/4748 and 4024/4124 are the backbone of regional and S-Bahn services in a big portion of Austria)... here I go again about Austrian trains sooorry O
I'm 41, I was born in 1982, at the time Peaks ruled supreme on the Midland Mainline but I've no memory of them, However I do remember first generation DMUs, HSTs, loco hauled services, 15X fleet taking over with the earliest examples being almost 40 years old, hell even the earliest 170s are approaching their 30th year. I personally prefer to drive (and ride) trains from the 1980s to early 2000s. If TSW5 is released, I personally would like to see more routes and rolling stock from that time period. It's one of many reasons Blackpool Branches is my favourite DLC
I would like some older stock, we’ve done the modern London stuff, so if we go back there I’d like to see some NSE DLC, particularly a 309. Rather than having everything up south being an all modern experience, would be nice to get into its pre millennium era, across a few DLC’s - hopefully achieving a similar network to SEHS.
A little mind game: TSW3 was a big leap forward, thanks to volumetric clouds, TOD4 and other improvements. You could have kept TSW3 for a while, like TSW2, which gradually received more features like Creators Club. But those are three reasons for TSW4: Due to the entry of Focus Entertainment, the new company logo had to be placed in the intro. So a new version of TSW4 was a good idea to get started. The other reason was the problem with Sony's PS5 consoles, which were only allowed to load 64GB of DLCs. That's why TSW's core engine was completely readjusted so that the Addon Manager became an integral part of TSW4 on all platforms. This also led to RAM relief for 8th gen consoles and faster loading times. To make a certain difference, there were also new menus, a revised UI and a photo mode. In addition, the Formation Designer is also coming out of the beta phase into its final form. Now comes number three: the editor. Many route builders have already shown what they can do and it is also a good approach to recruiting talent. In my opinion, TSW5 doesn't make sense at the moment unless you switch to UE5 or a VR version is planned.
I really prefer the modern stuff. When I started playing TSW I preferred the German routes as they had modern trains. Been playing TSW for a while now and my preference hasn't changed. I wasn't a fan of UK routes as most of the routes was old stock but since we have more modern UK routes now in TSW I actually like the UK routes more than the German ones. About TSW5. I hope there is a TSW5 this year. TSW4 brought a lot of improvements but there is still lot of room for improvement. Initial loading time has become one of my biggest gripes with this game. If TSW5 would only reduce the loading time to a few seconds it would already be a huge USP for me
Although UE5 would be great. just as the works on the suspension and other core things mentioned like announcements. I believe the entire CC, and all new formation and livery editor, just as photo mode and scenario planner V1.5 need to get out of beta or unfinished and not very user friendly UI first. the new routes are cool but there is a big core rework needed for all the things dovetail and the playerbase wants. TSW5 would be a great way to implement all of those. but I rather have them not rush it and wait another year. the list of mentioned bugs in dlc keeps growing and apart from skyhook nobody seems to care about fixing any. like the G6 scenario there have been reasons why not but rarely is there ever anything communicated. since the support for older routes has dropped too I would be very sad but not suprised if they make the next version uncompatible and restart from scratch like the change from TSC to TSW. this game has a load of potential if they'd get some more funding from focus to expand the team. Imo just the state of the editor right now it wouldn't be smart to break everything and go to TSW5. the roadmap seems to get quieter now so I hope on some actual work on the backend instead of pushing out more bug filled stuff that only gets one patch to fix 20% and then is never looked at for the coming 4 years. as we see with FCL. a lot of players are fed up with the way of buisness and that was the final straw after a few pretty good releases to get the playerbase from giving chances for improvement to a mass refund.
