From todays roadmap, seems like a new UK route has been hinted at in the 4-6 month route period, this thread has been created to speculate on what could be coming
Hmm good shout. I personally think we might be getting a diesel route, maybe Calder valley or the sorts
What I would like to see and what it probably will be are two different things. It would be nice to get something that touches an area not hitherto seen in TSW, East Anglia with the Wherry Lines, something Wales or West perhaps the Marches Line (part thereof) or North Wales Coast. I'm guessing there is a possibility licencing aside it could be part of the southern WCML... Watford Junction to Rugby or Birmingham, or maybe the Trent Valley Rugby to Crewe. Even better if we got a BR Blue Class 86 and a set of Mark 2 aircon stock to go with it.
My guesses are Riviera line from Exeter to Paignton, Euston to Coventry, ECML from York to Darlington or a Liverpool Street to Enfield and Chesthunt overground route.
I'm gonna say the Chase Line, it would bring the Class 350 in and then you could start making a WCML route after
After playing WCML South a bit in TSC I could go with a 350, so long as I don't have to keep hitting E every few seconds to stop the wretched vigilance. The other EMU (DC) which I quite like is the 450, after watching a YT cab ride from Southampton to Weymouth. Quite loud traction sound in the cab, if DTG could actually capture that.
390 you won't hear any can noise from traction motors, they are among the least interesting trains to drive imo like Azumas.
Hopefully something with a class 350, combine that with the upcoming 710 and traction wise Wcml South becomes a real possibility.
What I am hoping for is something like the Riviera line & South Devon Mainline from Exeter to Paignton/Plymouth in the late 70s or early 80s, or even GEML in a similar time period. What we will likely get is a route set tomorrow with a modern commuter EMU to accompany it. As I said in Roadmap thread I do really wish something like the codes would be brought back.
My two predictions are: 1) some section of the C2C railway with the Class 357. would be an overhead wire long distance route going to an area we haven’t seen before in TSW. would also make use of Barking which has already been modelled as part of the goblin line. 2) the chase line with the Class 350. i think this route meets literally all the criterias for a DTG route nowadays. one train route, not too long, not too many stations etc. it would also bring the class 350 to the game which is a must have if we ever get the WCML, and on top of that Birmingham new street is already in the game as well as the section to Aston from BCC, so less work for DTG. personally I’m leaning more towards the Chase Line, i think it ticks all the boxes and makes the most sense. but a C2C route is also a route i’d greatly enjoy!
Yes, one of the Northern sections, like over Shap or something set in the 80s, or even early 90s would be what I would want of another WCML route.
considering in the goblin first look video, the station signage at Barking has the C2C branded signage i believe they may have the C2C license. How do you know they’ve wanted to do C2C for ages?
because i have been using TSC since it was railworks and Matt mentioned it in the past when asked for it to be made on that. Also there is NO c2c branded signage all you can see at barking is the white station saying saying barking with the pink square at the left of the sign there is NO branding in the signage.
that does not mean it is branded it does not mention C2C on it so is not a branded sign it is just a coloured square on the board that is not branding.
agreed, no point arguing, especially with someone who has a tendency to argue with many people on the forums thinking they’re always right
funny thing is on this part i am right a pink sign on a board does not mean they have a license if they had a license it would say on it C2C just like the signs do IRL.
What if, and I'm not trying to argue or prove anything, this is pure speculation just to be clear, what if the C2C logo was left out on purpose, with the pink on the sign being a hint of what's to come in future. Remember, there is another UK route coming in 4-6 months according to the roadmap. It could be, it could not be. Only way to find out is to wait and see what they tell us about this new route. Or, more likely answer, they don't have the C2C license which would explain the lack of branding.
I think we have to take the licensing into effect more than anything else now, as was mentioned in tonight’s stream. Will they go for a new operator? Only if they can get the licensing. We’ve seen how much value they are getting from the ScotRail license for example. I’d like to see something that can have the 710 layered on around London. This could be done from Euston on the WCML so the first segment from Euston to Watford Jct could have the 710 layered, then it could be continued as far as possible. Can they get Avanti onboard? I’d love a Pendo. Alternatively Greater Anglia from Liverpool Street where it could also layer in. Class 321 with a 720 as dlc later. Wherever it is I prefer a busy line with lots of activity rather than some branch line with only a train every 2 hours or something. If they can get a new license for an operator that is new to the game then great, wherever it is. I’m open to anything.
I'd love it to be the c2c line, with the 357 and 720 (not the 387 though, which was mentioned earlier, as that was just a temporary stopgap).
Anything but another EMU route, Settle to Carlisle, Bristol to Cardiff, Norwich to Liverpool street with a Class 90. We do need some routes set in 90s early 2000s as there is a gap. With ECML and TSW4, longer routes are feasible so Euston to Birmingham?
Actually curved ball here... How about Hope Valley from Manchester to Sheffield? New train is the Class 185 with the EMR 158 bought/layered in from MML and likewise the 142 from BPO. I'd buy that Day One.
Chase line would be a good one IMO, we need a 350 really before a WCML section (at least the southern end). What id really like to see is a Welsh Line, not too bothered which but would love to see the 175 in TSW. I can’t say I’d be all that excited about a C2C electrostar pack.
DTG have the avanti license already. The only thing really stopping DTG from a WCML south is development time, and also sheer route length
I'm sorry, you think the trains that lean into corners like motorcycles are boring?? I'd love nothing more than a route like Preston to Carlisle, however I feel like they'd save a highly requested route like that for a new TSW release. That being said the 4-6 month timeframe does line up for a summer release, so I'd be surprised if it's something smaller like Goblin. Also why is the Chase line suddenly highly requested? Talk about a dull line with hardly any character. If the 350 was added to the game, at least give it a stretch of line where it can reach 110mph. My pick would be Stafford- Rugby, preferably via both the Trent Valley and via New Street, although I'd settle for either/or. Chase line would be too similar to Cross City.
Thing is, if the Chase Line comes with the 350, then it can layer onto a potential WCML. Otherwise the WCML would be empty with Pendolinos and no 350, given the way DTG do routes nowadays.
Well i would prefer Pendos over many other units they just don't have that challenge to drive, pull throttle at full power, coast at 125 for most of the way, decelerate down to stopping around 2 miles before your destination, they just won't give the challenge that a loco hauled set gives a bit more or some units where you can feel the acceleration from the cab.
I’m going to speculate it’s not WCML, especially not the southern section, I think they would save something like that as core route, with ECML being last year, I don’t think they would do 2 in a row neither for the core, so no not WCML or any new ECML section for awhile, that’s my speculation apart from that it could be anything, maybe start of wales, can’t rule out back up to Scotland but i don’t think I would bet Scotland, maybe something northern or maybe something I’ve never heard of in all honesty before in the midlands/anglia or Cornwall/Devon part of the island, there’s been many DTG routes I’ve never known before so good chance I probably couldn’t guess this one. I’m going to go a random guess and say GEML or Lincoln if I had to back something.
They could just do a portion of the WCML with the 350 and then add the Pendolino later. I don't understand why we need yet another slow, stop start commuter route around Birmingham. Besides it would date the route a bit as I believe it's one of the lines 730s are due to start on soon. Either way, I don't want the WCML South as much as the northern part. The Northern section is more unique and iconic and 350s don't run up that way so they wouldn't be needed.
Of course it was in TSC. They needn’t do all of it, just a decent sized chunk starting from Euston so as to include the 710.
South would allow the 710 to be layered in and compensate a little for missing out Kings X on the ECML. Having a full Overground timetable too would be cool and would compensate for only currently having 13 miles.
I seriously think they would do as they did with ECML if tackling WCML. Start somewhere like Watford Jn or Bletchley to avoid having to tackle the complex 17 mile section from Euston to Watford. I don’t necessarily agree with that, but if it gives a chance of (say) Watford to New Street or Bletchley/MKC to Crewe I would take that over Euston to Milton Keynes. IMHO any attempt at the southern WCML should include the Northampton Loop. It is quite an omission from the admittedly already very adequate TSC version so far as commuter traffic is concerned. Art imitating life in some respect as since the days of the LNWR serving Northampton with long distance services was anathema and to some extent still is. So Watford to Rugby including via Northampton and Weedon would be just about perfect.
