So as it was noted upcoming to release, I felt like the UP Heritage Unit pack lacked the content that could of made it worth what its cost was.... Gameplay wise it doesn't offer much, only 6 scenarios and addition to subbing into the UP timetable. I tried to see if it subbed into Cajon's UP layers, but couldn't get it to work. The Heritage Units are also kind of useless in scenario planner, they only have the loco themselves, no consists, so you have to use the already limited track space in yards to make up a train if you want to run it somewhere. Content wise the pack could of been better if the following was included. Playable UP services on Cajon Yes I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this but I still would like to see playable UP traffic on Cajon between the Pass and Barstow. Adding in UP 1111 to the pack While not technically a Heritage Unit, UP 1111 is a similar ACe model to the 6 Heritage Units (An early ACe with no ISO cab) Due to its complexity, it probably will never get made in CC and would of made a nice 7th paint for this pack. New or repainted rolling stock In addition to new services, the pack could of added in 1 piece of new rolling stock or repaints of existing ones. 2 possible cars that could of been added being UP branded covered hoppers (Which DTG never added to the original Sherman Hill for some reason). Or UP's newest 60ft boxcars. Like the ATSF F7, it would of been nice to get something MORE out of this pack than what it is.....
Yeah, some new freight cars would have been good, even if just repainted ones from other routes. Is the livery pack good, by the way?
Also adding the scenery in for Track 3. The tracks and signalling exist IIRC, track 3 only needs the scenery and the timetable for it.
Ive been doing some comparison shots, and the more I look at them, there are problems with it... like they get noticable once you put them side by side. EDIT: Its even worse, some liveries have some really poor or inexcusable mistakes on them
Damn. It's not going to be a full price purchase then. Might just stick to the CC version for now, lol.
Seeing all the quality issues with the liveries in this pack, I think the CC version are a better choice at this point. Which is a shame, because it would've been good to support more DTG made liveries and Sherman Hill content. But the quality of this pack is a joke.
I have read in a Steam review that duplicates can spawn in timetable mode - in their instance it was another Katy while the player was already driving the Katy. Aren't the liveries tied to their own specific running number? If so, how can duplicates spawn?
Why am I not surprised? lol. The pack is quite low on content to begin with, but it can't even do properly what it is supposed to. Again, a shame, because it would've been great to support it. Well, maybe in the future it will be a 75% off sale purchase at best.
I wouldn't ever expect to see something like this... how difficult is it to set a limit? Besides as mentioned - shouldn't the system only pick one of each number? Is it NOT doing that? How can this happen??? "They're set to be very very low commonality in substitution"...
From what I recall from the Boston ACS-64, no, the liveries are not tied to the number since they couldn’t get it to work or it had performance impacts or something of the sort. Instead, the liveries are actually different in-game liveries for the locos and thus not unique. It’s the same mechanics as substitution, essentially - e. g. PRESS 155 vs DB 155 and so on. That’s also why the TSW2-livery ACS-64 has unique issues compared to the standard one (roof lighting occlusion for example).
I believe the Trainbow worked the way it did because it simply used a decal on the train, not an actual full livery. And that decal could be scripted to only appear on a specific running number. As to why they couldn't achieve number specific full liveries since, it's a good question. It would be about time, especially when they do livery packs like this.
Having no duplicates and some consists for the scenario editor would be a given I had assumed. It’s not very good at all. It’s a shame as I’d love to see more locomotive or livery packs.
Duplicates, you’ve gotta be kidding? Bought the livery pack recently and haven’t played with yet, but I think a refund is on the cards. I would have done the same for the Cajon F7 had I known at the time it would spawn in timetable mode but am too late.
Ugh. I hate this. Right there will stop me from buying it. I hate the 662 Amtrak ACS-64 for the same reason. I like the livery itself but the fact that I see like 2 or 3 of them show up in one session playing on Boston kills immersion.
The issue is that if you tie it to the number you can’t select it from menu. For example on SEHS there are 2 special liveries (rainbow and Medway). They are tied to the specific unit number for that train so they only show up when that specific unit spawns randomly. And (theoretically) you will never see two. BUT that means you can’t choose it from the menu, because it’s not a separate train. The ACS-64 (and the UP heritage pack) they wanted the player to be able to specifically pick them to play instead of refreshing the game multiple times until they spawn randomly. So they created each one as a separate loco so you can select it from the menu. I can see why they’d do that (you’d be pretty mad if you paid for a livery pack and then couldn’t use it other than low probability randomized unit number). But at the same time that causes them to be a separate “substitution” and theoretically appear multiple times.
Yeah, number specific liveries should really be implemented, especially for original liveries, but ideally Livery Designer as well.
at the very least, did they put the logo's of the fallen flag companies into the "Logos" section of the livery editor? If so, that might be the only reason I'd consider buying this, because some of those logos are a royal pain to layout with the shapes provided on their own.
Did you buy the livery set? If so, would you be able to check the livery designer to see if the logos are in there for me? Just want to know if it's worth my purchase or not, and it doesn't seem like any of the youtube reviews cover anything to do with the livery editor benefits (If there are any)
Livery Designer logos should not even be a part of this DLC, since I'm pretty sure DTG is supposed to keep updating it over time.
Sadly, I do not. I was interested in it at the beginning, but seeing all the issues reported, I didn't bother buying it. Agreed, but I don't think they have ever updated the livery designer logos since they introduced them. It's a shame, because I bet there would be many more logos they could include in there.
Which is funny, since they've asked about what we wanted to see included. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/livery-designer-decal-suggestions-thread.56520/ But yet all we get are pointless shapes from Mastery Awards.....
To be fair, there were some nice additions since then. Things like the dirt decals from Boston Sprinter or some routes having additional text fonts from Mastery. Though I would love it if they added more text fonts for the base collection as well. I don't want to buy London Commuter just to get weighted font letters...
So Im gonna assume this means a NO to any fixes for the liveries themselves? For shame. The MP,WP,KATY,DRGW,CNW and SP deserve better.....
Looks like it. The nose decal on the Chicago NorthWestern literally gets cut off on the bottom, but looks like this is fine by them for a payware livery...
Irony is that UP 1989 was caught leading a train in Hesperia yesterday.... Cmon DTG, UP layers for Cajon when?
Honestly, yes. It'd be a massive time saver for the other liveries I make. It's unbelievable the amount of time i have to spend modifying or making finicky lettering and logos with shapes. For example, even the letterhead in the Rio Grande logo, while appearing simple at first glance is shaped just weirdly enough that I had to amalgamate a bunch of additional shapes to make the letters look just right. So for someone like me, I could probably justify the purchase off of that factor alone
Gripe, gripe, gripe! Less than $2.50 apiece for six new liveries and a good package of activities, including some unusual switching runs. Well worth it in my not-at-all-humble opinion.
If you think this is worth $15 dollars.... Then you must have some pretty low quality standards. Why not just do the paint schemes with MS paint at this point?
On Tuesday TWO liveries are coming out for the same price, so maybe we were unfair to this DLC, you have to split the effort put into each of those Jubilees by 3 when making these
Well, all I can say in reply is that I really don't put TSW rolling stock "under the microscope" to the extent that you have. That is, I concentrate more on what trains are doing -- and what I'm being told to do with them. In most of your photos, however, I just don't understand what your against.
There is things like texture errors, glitches or poor texturing that shouldn't be there for a PAID DLC. You look at other US locos that DTG has released, and they don't have errors that this pack has. Hence why alot of us, including me, are upset at it. It was clearly rushed and put out the door to make money with very little care. And it seems like DTG doesnt care to fix any of the issues with it. You look at the ATSF F7 and can see someone put love and care into it, you look at the Heritage liveries and someone didn't even double check them.
Then I see very little value in this pack, even for you. These locos provide no new layers, so having just the SMH is all the gameplay apart from a couple of scenarios.
