Upcoming London Commuter: Have You Decided What Service You'll Play First?

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  1. cloudyskies21

    cloudyskies21 Well-Known Member

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    With the huge anticipation for the soon-to-be-released London Commuter Rush Hour route, have you decided what service you'll think you would play first and why to get into the spirit of the route?

    I'm thinking of driving the Gatwick Express 387 first from Brighton (starting somewhere familiar) to Victoria and hopefully seeing more and more traffic along the route. After that, I reckon straight to a slow line service to Reigate, before *hopefully* picking up the layered GWR 166 to Gatwick.
     
  2. Mat_Jam_Ca

    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    Definitely a Gatwick Express. The red 387 looks lovely and it’ll be a nice long run. Can’t wait.
     
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  3. stujoy

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    Full route end to end of course, Brighton to London, around noon, on whatever service makes the fewest stops along the way. A standard type ‘looking at the route’ run.
     
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  4. Tay95

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    Something in the day time for sure to have a good nosey around!
     
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  5. Crosstie

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    Express from Brighton to Victoria (if there is such a service) just to get familiar with the route. What are the speed limits generally?

    Used to be you could do it in 4 minutes. :D
     
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  6. cloudyskies21

    cloudyskies21 Well-Known Member

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    Your best bet for such a service will be the Gatwick Express 387. I believe the max line speed is 90mph.

    Haha yes, a classic. :cool:
     
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  7. CK95

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    Personally I’ll work my way through the training and scenarios, then my first timetable service will likely be a GX service from Brighton to Victoria via Gatwick Airport, followed by a Southern service to Reigate and then hopefully a GWR service to Gatwick and then from Gatwick to Brighton via GX again.

    So less of a service and more of a shift, but obviously that depends on the layers and timetable allowing me to do so without too much waiting time.
     
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  8. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    If you want to look at a route, run freight. They'll do the entire length of this route at 60mph with no stops unless there's adverse signals

    First full run is going to be whatever comes up in journey mode for me. I don't bother cherry picking until I've run a few and know the station markers and big speed drops.
     
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  9. Southern Driver

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    I shall be interested to see if the 100mph section south of Gatwick is still there. As for speeds, rough guide for the fast lines is

    Victoria to Clapham - 45mph
    Clapham to Wandsworth Common - 60mph
    Wandsworth Common to Selhurst - 70mph
    Selhurst to East Croydon - 45mph
    East Croydon to Purley Oaks - 60mph
    Purley Oaks to Brighton - mostly 90mph

    If they’re including a more challenging run then a fairly often occurrence is fast line closure between Victoria & East Croydon meaning you’ve a few more speed restrictions to think about on the slow lines.
     
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  10. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    I think I'll just hop on a 387 service from Brighton up to Victoria when I get on BML.
     
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  11. Oo7 BELL 7oO

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    I’d probably also do a Brighton-Lon Vic with Gatwick Express and the do an all stops (or majority stops) service on the 377 returning to Brighton.
     
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  12. paulc

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    Has anything been mentioned about freight? Will this route come with many freight services?
     
  13. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Nothing's been mentioned specifically about any of the services, but the freight services from ECW all end up on this line somewhere...
     
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    Same here. But before that we get to the fun bit, we'll have to have to prove to Dovetail that we understand how a controller works again by looking at some markers, then have a little walk around, and a short passenger ride...
     
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  15. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    And while my computer is doing that, I'll watch something on youtube on the other screen
     
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  16. cloudyskies21

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    I believe the track north of Balcombe Tunnel up to around the Horley area is nowadays at 90mph, though yes I think this section was 100mph historically.
     
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  17. formulabee#1362

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    I’ll be going straight to Clapham Junction or Wimbledon
     
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  18. Krazy

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    When I get the route, I'll probably do what I did when I first got the other Rush Hour routes. I'll stand at London Victoria during the morning rush, and watch a bunch of Electrostars coming in and out of the station.
     
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  19. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    And a few networkers, if you have that DLC
     
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  20. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    I think after my first run I'll be doing much of the same. Clapham especially will be very interesting to see.
     
  21. ARuscoe

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    Clapham will look weird without SWR and LO services. 5 platforms used out of 15...
    Wimbledon isn't on the route. Southern don't call at Wimbeldon at all, only SouthWestern and Thameslink (and the trams)
     
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  22. Northerner

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    It'll probably be a Brighton - Victoria stopper for me, to do the full route and experience the approach into London.
     
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  23. trainsimplayer

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    I'll just turn my camera around :D
     
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  24. Southern Driver

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    southern did serve Wimbledon twice a day I think it was before the Covid19 timetables came in. The services went from London Bridge and round the loop via Sutton & Tooting. Around 10 years ago you could go to Wimbledon from Clapham Jnc via Tooting as well as the more obvious way!!
     
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  25. moofeen#2182

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    The highest I think is around 140-160
     
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    Nope but the class 09 layers on this route so kinda ya
     
  27. Crosstie

    Crosstie Well-Known Member

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    So, basically just a scenery item.
    No driveable freight services have been mentioned or promised on the upcoming BML.
     
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  28. Crosstie

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    I assume you mean kph. Others have put it between 45 and 90 mph.
     
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  29. moofeen#2182

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    Yes
     
  30. ARuscoe

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    Yeah, haven't checked pre covid but those services are all done by Thameslink now
     
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    The 387 , Brighton - Victoria
     
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  32. paulc

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    If this turns out to be true then it's not for me as with Cathcart, no freight no buy.
     
  33. CK95

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    To be fair BML, and Cathcart are both primarily passenger corridors, Cathcart being literally only a passenger line.

    Not sure how realistic it would be to expect freight on BML considering how little freight actually runs on it IRL.
     
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  34. paulc

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    Yeah thats fair enough :)

    I understand Cathcart has 1 engineering train, if there was a few engineering/loco rescue services to run on BML I might consider it.
     
  35. ARuscoe

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    Almost all railways in the UK are "primarily passenger", but if you look at the freight possibilities through East Croydon or Haywards Heath there are a fair few

    East Croydon freight only
    Haywards Heath freight only
    Links valid until 4th October 21
     
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  36. Southern Driver

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    surprisingly little, however there are freights that run to Ardingly & Newhaven. So it’s not unreasonable to expect them to be included.
     
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  37. ARuscoe

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    14 freight runs via East Croydon last Friday, 57 paths available
    10 via Haywards Heath out of 24 paths

    some of these are engineering, some are ECS engine runs
     
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  38. Crosstie

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    I'd love to be surprised by the inclusion of some freight services, but my gut tells me it ain't happening, at least not at launch. Maybe a dlc pack in the distant future???
     
  39. cloudyskies21

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    I'd be highly surprised if no freight was included, especially when the Class 66 is already on several other routes. I think freight might be very limited though. My hope is that DTG remember the Class 66 service on ECW between Lewes and Newhaven - hence if they want to be consistent across routes, then this service should appear at Wivelsfield for the player to drive after coming to/from the Keymer Junction branch (after theoretically leaving Lewes).
     
  40. Southern Driver

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    There is nowhere near enough freight to warrant that!!! DLC charge for a handful of freights is not going to be happening I hope!!
     
  41. penguinmatt#1924

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    I'm tempted to just spawn on foot at Haywards Heath, as that was my local station when I was younger, just for an explore.
     
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  42. Mat_Jam_Ca

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    I wonder what the collectables will be? Hopefully not the bog standard maps, posters, ticket machines etc.
     
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  43. cloudyskies21

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    Good question. I think maps will be there, plus maybe holiday-themed posters promoting the South Coast as it's themed around summer. Some unique collectables I think focused around this theme could be stuff like postcards, sunglasses, sun cream, ice cream? :cool:
     
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  44. ARuscoe

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    That's fine for Brighton itself, probably less likely in Clapham
     
  45. Southern Driver

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    Having done several night shifts at Clapham Jnc around 20 years ago I can say it’s definitely not less likely!!
     
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    Sunglasses and postcards?
    I mean ice cream maybe not but don't see too many postcard stands in SW London :cool:
     
  47. marcsharp2

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    Usually after the route launch I like to do the training runs first, Then I'll check out the activities. Once they are done I like to check out the scenarios and pick one that starts in the depot.
     
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  48. mattwild55

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    I'll spawn on foot at approximate real time and real weather at Balham (as it's the closest stop on the services that are incoming from Epsom where I grew up) then take the next available commuter metro service as a passenger into Victoria to ogle the scenery and the general business. Also helpfully tests the frequency of metro services ;)

    Then I'll probably try and take over whatever the next GX fast service is to Brighton to give the 387 a spin and see the rest of the route!
     
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  49. TinTin_57

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    As it stands now on PS5 this route won’t even appear on release day unless I delete old routes first to make way. Boston and Dresden are still missing for a lot of us, but that’s a story covered in another thread. On the original question, I’d like to go and see Battersea Power station and spawn somewhere there on foot
     
  50. taybarker20

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    I think first I’m gonna do a Gatwick express service to Brighton then a 377 doing a uncoupling service then a Reigate service
     
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