Us Content Early Speculation Thread.

So with nothing else to talk about Antelope Valley for the time being, how about the US content on the roadmap?

In total we have 3 DLCs to look forward to, 2 routes and 1 loco DLC

My early predictions are this, and are based on what licenses DTG has, and what I think their general direction is.

4-6 month route
I feel like this route will swing in 1 of 2 ways....
1. This will be another NYC/NEC based route in which I think could be any of the following 3....
-Metro North/NEC (Most likely the Hudson Line or New Haven)
-New Jersey Transit (Unsure which line would be best)
-Long Island Railroad (Unknown line)

Or

2. A modern US freight route (Most likely CSX, NS or CN to avoid another California route so close to AVL)

6+ month route
I feel like this route will piggy back off the info gathered from the AVL trip and be another SoCal route featuring Amtrak's Pacific Surfliner.

Possible lines being....
-LA to Oceanside
or
-LA north thru Ventura

6+ month loco DLC
Given this is a loco DLC and not a smaller pack, it isn't a Metrolink MP36, but a new loco for TSW. It could be a long distance Amtrak pack if the 6 month route is LA based, or it would supplement the 4-6 month route.

Can't really say much more though atm since we currently don't have any roadmap codes to go off of, but will be curious to see what actually shows up, would be fun to get surprised if a prediction completely misses the mark.

 

Well, we know that none of these are 3rd party releases, so one is likely to be a modern day freight route and the other will probably swing back to the East Coast and be another segment of NEC or NJT.

Somehow though I suspect the loco will be an Amtrak variant, so I'm not sure how that fits in, unless they have a new license which we're not aware of. That would change the location of one of the routes.

 

I feel like the +6 month locomotive will be an MBTA HSP46 DLC for the NEC: Boston-Providence route.

 

I'd certainly be happy if the new loco was the NJT Arrow III for Nyt.

I think it would be better if the HSP46 came with a new route, MBTA Worcester line for example.

As for the new routes I'm hoping one of them is the Hudson line, that would be a great way to get the P32 into Tsw, not quite the P42 that many are requesting but still fairly close imo.

 

I feel like the routes could be Marias Pass or Tehachapi Pass.

 

My thoughts.

One freight route.

One passenger route.

Passenger loco: makes the most sense so maybe something like an arrow 3, hsp46 or a p42 or a newer charger locomotive whichever one runs more long distance. I don't think making a freight loco would really be best value to use

 

BNSF Southern Transcon (Even better if it set at pre-merger era/ATSF late 80's - early 90's era), make it happen!

 

Agreed with the Arrow 3 making sense, although I suppose this depends on what Joe has done with the TT now, my understanding is that the NYC area signalling is getting stretched with the new load. Not sure if the capacity for an Arrow is there?

One huge thing I do hope to see, is now that we have the loco DLC’s separated from routes, could we get a P42 with services on the various routes it serves in games? I know it wouldn’t be great value for one route, but stretch that focus over all the ones we have now, and it would be great.

I do really hope to see a Charger though, especially with the new Venture Stock.

Another big one on my list is the racetrack in Chicago.

 

I agree, swinging back to the east coast would be a great idea after playing Antelope Valley. I personally want to see either the Hudson or New Haven Line. If we get the Hudson Line, I also agree, that would be a great segway to introduce a P32AC-DM in both Metro North and Amtrak livery, along with shoreliners. I would like to see the route go up to Poughkeepsie, at minimum, Croton Harmon. If the route goes to Poughkeepsie, there can be even more variations of diesel services introduced such as the Peak hour Beacon express which stops at Harlem 125th st, Beacon, New Hamburg, and Poughkeepsie, as well as in the reverse order during the Peak AM rush hour, of even semi expresses where trains make limited stops between Croton Harmon and Grand Central. For Hudson line, we can also include the M3a, M7a, and now P32ac-dm with shoreliners/amfleets. CSX SD40-2, and CSX AC6000CW can also layer in for freight services

If we get New Haven Line, I would at a minimum like Grand Central to Stamford, but would prefer the segments up to New Haven. This would be a great opportunity to also feature the P32AC-DM with Shoreliners and also the long awaited Metro North M8 EMU. Perhaps even feature the BL20GH for the Waterbury and Danbury branch line shuttle trains or even a GP35-R for yard work duties and towing dead equipment to the yards

 

For the Loco DLC, I would like the see the Arrow lll Multiple Unit added to NY-Trenton. It would give the route some new rolling stock and locomotive. Would like to see something other than the ALP-46. Maybe some new passenger cars to

 

For NJ Transit ALP-45DP RVL or NJCL the first one needs a tip saying to continue the journey towards New York please turn on electric power however away from them to continue the journey towards High bridge end Bay Head please turn on diesel

 

If they do njt the coast line would be the logical choice. I saw a bay head shuttle last night with the alp 46 so they are running the 45’s and the 46’s now between bay head and long branch

 

UP & Amtrak
Donner Pass

with the new mountain range "rendering" techniques

 

That should be the ALP-45DP 4500-4534 Original order new order 4535 and up. Reason for it NJCL is not electrified south of Long Branch since 1988 due to the South Amboy-Long Branch electrification project. DLC Train MLV I-III power car with Battery. Taken from NJ.com no paywall section like the ALP-45DP 4535 service inauguration back in April 2021. Retro DLC Locomotive for NJCL can be ALP-44M 4424 which Christine Todd Whitman used to operate the Inaugural Morristown Line Summit (I-78 exit 45) to NYC run back on June 10th 1996 together with Comet III-IV 5000 back on that date

 

Given the current state of the new timetable for New York - Trenton, I'm gonna go ahead and say the 6+ month loco isn't gonna be NJT related for NYT. The route already had to cut freight and I don't see DTG breaking it more with a new loco.

 

How about LIRR/ Harlem Line M9 remember to change the shoe type from 750 v dc top contact to 750v DC Bottom Contact

 

Would really like to see a refreshed LIRR. The current version has great bones, but it's a fundamentally flawed route due to the signalling issues and the near-total lack of traffic. That said, there is real potential to unlock, not the least of which would be the addition of the DE/DM30AC locos and the C3 cab cars, the third track on the mainline with the new stations, and Grand Central Terminal (Madison, whatever.) This one seems like a hole-in-one; I really hope LIRR gets the love and attention it deserves.

 

Seeing more action at the Los Angeles Union Station would be nice. More Metrolink routes or the Amtrak Pacific Surfliner would be awesome. The Antelope Valley line is pretty boring and the layer withe the BNSF does not really help it. There are also a lot of light rail systems here in Los Angeles they could add. The railways here in L.A. do not compare to the east coast but could be fun if the added a few more lines to the game.

 

So, there is now heavy rumors that the new route is either another Long Island Railroad Route, or LIRR is getting the SEHS treatment based on this log. There is also some Steam DB stuff related to the LIRR M3.

 

It looks like New Haven and Hudson line may not be the next route with this new teaser. Maybe could serve as a future US route if this is correct. I would definitely like to see the LIRR return extended

 

Not sure on the route but loco I would say the MBTA HSP46, MBTA posted a tweet a while back about how they would like to work with DTG again to bring this, not a guarantee it’s happening of course but I don’t think DTG would pass the opportunity if things are good.

 

it will be nice if LIRR get a expansion and maybe a new train for me there are 2 possible trains M9 with a timetable in 2023 or the DM 30 AC

 

I think it will be great to feature both, as well as the M3 and M7. This will complete all passenger equipment for the LIRR

 

LIRR2 appearing on DTLive is a big piece of evidence to support the idea of LIRR 2.0, further supported by the M3 having been updated on SteamDB. Of course like all leaks this should be taken with a grain of salt as this isn't 100% confirmation but it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

With the exodus of the original NEC in TSW 2020, LIRR is now the oldest US passenger route in the game and is in desperate need of an overhaul. Potential things that could arise from a remaster include TOD 4 support, an improved timetable, signaling fixes, The M3 being made as part of the core route, (Like the 465 on SEHS) a new train(s), and possibly even an extension although I don't know how they're gonna sell it to players who already own the route if that is indeed the case.

 

The Loco DLC was removed from the roadmap in December, so we don't know if it'll still come or not.

 

for me i think that we get a free update and a DLC can merge with the actual lirr the free update is a new timetable, signaling system, sounds of trains and a uptgrade of the LIRR area and a DLC same that Sehs but with a new train and a new extension of the lirr and it can merge

 

LIRR upgrade to TOD4, the M9 and maybe an extension adding in the Port Washington and Oyster Bay Branches would be awesome.
Extension up to Greenport or Port Jefferson would also be great. Give them an opportunity to add in one of the LIRR Diesels.

 

I noticed that during all of the most recent Steam sales, the LIRR route and LIRR additional content does not get discounted.

 

I’d go for an overhauled LIRR, but after the M7, M3, M7A & M3A already, it had better come with the DM30. M9 would be nice to see too but for me it’s a little too familiar.

DTG also really, really need to get a grasp on a decent looking NYC skyline. It has not been anywhere near acceptable in previous DLC’s.

 

The dualmode DM30 would be great to see, would add a lot more variety to the route.

 

I remember back when the original LIRR was released, there was mention of the DM30/DE30 not being created due to difficulty in reference material. I hope this is not the case now. Hopefully Grand Central Madison is included, but may be too new to obtain enough reference info regarding tunnel and track layouts along with updates to Harold Interlocking and the mid day storage yard in LIC. Maybe the DM30 is the loco that is in the +6 month section of the previous roadmap

 

Depends on if it’s going to be a SEHS style redo, or a whole new route in a new timeframe.

I’d rather see the DM30 than an M9, will be more variety in rolling stock.

Hopefully though the main focus is on the scenery & timetable. The US really needs a strong release.

 

Yeah 100% with you on wanting the DM30, while the M9 is cool it won't actually add anything "new". The base LIRR timetable is so barren it's depressing, so would absolutely benefit from a NYT style busy timetable. I just did a run between 8:30 and 9:30am. I saw a grand total of 5 other trains on the entire line. Not one single train at Jamaica/Penn Stations/Sunnyside Yard. Was a ghost town.

I feel like Antelope Valley line was a pretty good release? Other than some floating buildings in LA.
It's a complete route, the loco is pretty well done. It just needs the MP36 as a DLC and it'll be golden imo.

 

Never thought the day would come I would say this... The LIRR HYPE IS REAL.... Again

 

Why not both. I would rather see both than one being left out

 

Agreed, if we get the DM30 and M9, that will complete the collection of current revenue passenger trains that operate on LIRR. If the LIRR is indeed getting a revamp or rebuild and if this is the route that Cactusjuice is working on, I have a feeling it will be a great route, especially the signalling aspect. Either way, the next US route is bound to be great in my opinion even though it is somewhat unknown what it is exactly. I am confident we'll see what is being released in the next roadmap

 

I would love both, but if it's going to be one or the other, I'd prefer the DM30 as it's different to another EMU.

 

I just noticed from the teaser above, it mentions Sunnyside facility. I have a good feeling this may equate to the new mid day storage facility in the Sunnyside area

 

Yup, it would add variety to the route, and open up the potential to operate diesel services east of electrified territory

 

DTG doesn't have the reputation of making 2 new locos per Route DLC, unless one would come later in a loco DLC.

 

I'm excited for a potential LIRR 2.O

It was never given proper justice the first time, but could be one of the best routes if done right, IMO.

Don't mess it up, please, DTG!

 

I assume that is a confirmation then? I mean there is no other way to interpet it literally saying "LONGISLANDRAILROAD2". If we are finally getting a good LIRR remake, that may finally persuade me into jumping aboard TSW4.

I assume this time they will try to make one of the main branches in full, but I wonder if the shorter branches from the previous LIRR remain, like Atlantic Terminal? This log book so far does not show any new areas, but it does show Hunterspoint, so I really hope it is a sign for the DE30AC/DM30AC coming. Surely they won't keep Long Island City terminal all empty again?

 

Also, the SteamDB relating to the M3 is this.

Yesterday a handful of development depots appeared, the one of note is 2375902.


This is the app ID for the M3 addon for TSW4


No other depots in that dev block are known aside from the M3 and the Flying Scotsman (For some reason)

 

This poss LIRR expansion ..does not excite me at all anther EMU we do not need ...the DM30 maybe some excitement there ..how about New York and Atlantic freight layers being added use the MP15 GP38 2 or Long island scheme freight there is freight service enough also how about MOW services ballast stone trains layers ..FREIGHT lfans going to get ignored again by DTG i see lots of dissapointment ahead again they just dont get it at DTG US IS FREIGHHHHHTT COUNTRY ..even though they releasing freight paks that are making the UK routes shine with something more than tons of passenger services

 

id rather see a redone Clinchfield Route with expansion of route add a Modern CSX freight layer similar to how the WSR redo with the 2022 steam gala add a new CSX loco ET44AH SD70macs revamp the original F7 SD40 to operate better a black and gold scheme clinchfield F7 skin a grey and yellow scheme re skin for the SD40 ..

 

I'd like to see a mountain pass route done for the freight, something like Donner Pass, Feather Canyon or CP Rocky mountains, the latter would be especially welcome with the new mountain textures in the game. I hope it will be a new freight company to the game which either means winding back the clock a bit for carriers like Southern Pacific, Burlington Northern or Santa Fe, or bringing in the current Canadian Pacific.
I reckon Pacific Surfliner is coming as a passenger route.

 

Unfortunately looking like both new routes are passenger train focused ..it s maddening DTG cant give 1 of each passenger and frieght ..they cant seem to do a good new route wher both passenger and freight trains co exist so would be best of both worlds ..they need to consider more freight paks cars engines scenarios timetable layers to other routes like with rivets tea tanker pak for midland mainline etc

 

I believe Matt is working on this himself as a side project. He said that he’s working on it but can’t guarantee if it will ever come to light. I can’t remember what thread he said it in though…

 

ya i remember matt saying that also think it was in the road map where they talked about the coming WSR remake i hope Matt is successful in that endeavor.and clinchfield route make over becomes a thing Liam did great with the WSR one and Matt has stated the clinchfield route is favorite for hi

 

That's a shame, why are they so obsessed with passenger routes? Funny thing was they did the CN Oakville and didn't put passengers on it, now it appears they have gone totally the other way! Yet freight is very popular in TSC and Trainz 2022?