Using Cal Train Reskin For Go Transit

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  1. Alukomski8

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    Hi! Since we already have the cal train reskin for GO transit, and it’s already accessible for the game, I have a few possible solutions. We can just use the reskin, without being approved for a license. So otherwise, this is possible. You can create the line as a DLC and post it into the forums. The route already includes scenery from the Oakville Subdivision package. So considering applying an additional 25 km along the east route should not be an issue whatsoever. All you need to do is extend the eastbound route towards Toronto Union station. I’m not even asking for anything further than that. Just to reach Toronto’s union station making all 6 stops from Oakville, to Clarkson, Port Credit, Long Branch, Mimico, Exhibition, and finally Union. This seems like a lot but it’s really not, you already made connections to west harbour and that’s a good 5-6 stops so I don’t understand what the complication with extending the eastbound route would be. This will make a significant impact to the game and will attract more customers on a financial level. I can also assist in providing accurate photographs that I take regularly. Here are some images that might be convincing to you.
     

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  2. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    Godzilla had a stro-
    Nah, I ain't even going there.

    Unless you A) Make it yourself in Livery Designer or B) Play on PC and find it on a modding site, there will be no GO Transit Livery, without a license.

    If Dovetail make and release that without permission, they'd be in trouble.

    1) Why on earth would they post the DLC to the forums?
    2) Extensions to routes will not happen, at least not for the foreseeable future.
    3) There could be timetable issues, and it also consumes time and resources, for what is a Mediocre DLC at best. So there would be an issue, quite likely.

    They need to do it, or you want them to do it? Again, the extensions thing as well.
    I'll expand on the extensions saying as you mention it:
    • There is a mixed feeling among the community; it could be good to extend routes, but it also could end up with DLC on DLC on DLC.
    • DLC on DLC (a DLC requiring a DLC (which requires the base game)) becomes a problem quite fast - Loco DLCs are a bit of an exception, as a train needs tracks to run on.
    • Extensions weren't ever the most popular or best selling on Train Simulator, where they did happen a few times.

    Also, as far as I understand, the GO Transit stations had 0 services before the preservation crew added Caltrain units to run it; the Passenger Stations were practically scenery.

    Bold Claim.
     
  3. paintbrushguy

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    Licensing doesn’t work like that. If a route is sold including a GO reskin or a GO reskin is added post release to a route without a license it’s illegal.
     
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  4. Alukomski8

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    You don’t need to market the reskin just make the map, nothing else. Creating a map requires no license. Just like Sherman LOVE
     
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    Yeah, but then you wouldn't have the GO Transit, making the extension redundant...
     
  6. Alukomski8

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    Yes you would because adding it on yourself from the reskin s is LEGAL. Marketing is not. There a difference.
     
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    Yes, if you do it in the livery editor, it's legal. If dovetail have it in their product, it's illegal use of a property. And it also looks incredibly untrustworthy to licensors, if Dovetail are using loopholes and working around TOCs (proverbial) backs.
     
  8. Alukomski8

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    It’s not like they are going to try to get the license anyways. I don’t understand the difficulty with extending the routes, not even for GO, extend it for more freight hauls. It’s so pathetic to put a price tag on 3 stops, what about the rest?
     
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    The stops were originally scenery. It's a freight route, end of. There's a reason it only included the CN or CP or C-whatever it is locos.
     
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    Can you just be on my team, I’m trying to help you guys out by adding something more interesting. Obviously you don’t know anything about Toronto so don’t even try to act like some expert.
     
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    No, I'm not an expect in Toronto, I'm across the Atlantic. However I know enough about the TSW DLC's context, picked up in my time on the forums, to chip in to the conversation.

    Regardless, extensions won't happen - they don't have the license - there is no guarantee they'll get it, move on.
     
  12. Alukomski8

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    I won’t move on. Comedic, you realize any dumbass can go on google maps and model a few fake building to recreate a route. Stop with the license, you don’t need it. Draw a graphite LOVE, I’m sure that’s very copyrighted.
     
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    I don't know what you're getting at anymore... Just the forums censoring stuff and aggressive tone.

    The license is required. There aren't two ways about it. It's the law*.

    *Dovetail are an English company, so are also subject to English law - it may be somewhat different for international licenses, however English law stands.
     
  14. Alukomski8

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    License for what? To draw a map? Ok, I’ll draw the whole gta on a piece of paper, going to go to jail.
     
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    For the damn train...

    We're going in circles here:

    [You] "License, for a map?" > [Me] "No, for the train" > [You] "They don't need a license for the train, they can just add it" > [Me] "they do need a license" > [You] "License, for a map?"
     
  16. Alukomski8

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    Honestly forget the train at this point. Otherwise I want to ask if this is a possibility for their announcement they made on improving the Oakville Subdivision. They made an announcement about improving it, maybe this is what they will do?
     
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    The "announcement" I believe you refer to is the preserved crew's improvements/update, which will bring a few updates such as Skybox and such, and adds the Caltrain layer to the route for passenger services.

    Other than that, there has been none.

    And the announcement will not be an extension, or a GO Transit add-on, unless - you guessed it - they get a license.
     
  18. Alukomski8

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    What do you mean by cal train? Oh this just gets better and better, your putting a full painted CAL train into Toronto? That’s the most ridiculous thing ever. If your putting in the baby bullet, at least make the baby bullet travel to union station at the very least. But no, I can make 5 stops heading west but I cant add in 5 more short stops.
    Too hard for 10 people working on the same project. Sorry, we’re too lazy and entitled.
     
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    I'm genuinely going to pull my bloody hair out.

    Let me make this abundantly clear:

    The Oakville Subdivision route has passenger stations, with no services, due to there being NO APPROPRIATE ROLLING STOCK.

    The preservation crew, who go back and improve/give new features to older routes, are going to add a layer from the CALTRAIN route, to fill the gap. - because GO Transit have a similar Train.

    Because of a lack of a GO license, they cannot make an authentic GO train. It is just so there are passenger services to start with.

    The reason it only uses the stations on the route, is because to extend to "Union", they would have to extend the route.
    Extensions are NOT happening, that DOES include Oakville, and this is a layer to the EXISTING route.

    The route was originally built for freight, only.
     
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  20. Alukomski8

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    Who said freights didn’t travel to Toronto, do they just fly or do they pass through stations? Again I don’t care about the trains that the only excuse you have. It’s getting a little older to be completely honest. All I ask is to add more freights that extend towards the east direction. Not go trains. That’s not an issue.
     
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    Literal thread title:
    "Using Cal Train reskin for Go Transit"

    And if you don't care about the trains, why play a Train Sim? Also, the Go Transit isn't my only (factual) reason against it, it's the most prominent.

    • Not much demand seems to persist for extending Oakville.
    • Without the GO Transit, it would feel dead (that's a different "excuse", just related, wise guy.)
    • Extensions aren't happening.
    • Extensions weren't the most successful on TS1 either.
    • There could be complications with the timetable
    • And more!
     
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