Definitely needed - though the perlée effect and steel reflections probably can't be done using the Livery Designer, so it'll be just gray. (Admittedly have not used LD, prefer using image processors and real textures - but as a built-in feature the LD surely was a clever idea) Or can you edit material properties in LD and make it Stainless Steel? Would be nice to have, say, five reflection/shininess presets you could choose from. Source: Wikipedia
It would be awesome if LD allowed you to edit textures, but sadly you are stuck with whatever is built into the 3D model (this also means that, absurdly, the roof is glossy) And so, no, there is no way really to recreate stainless, or the Silberlinge's distinctive knurled finish; the best I can do is an impressionistic effect. Still, from a distance it isn't bad. And remember, back when they were in regular service the n-Wagen tended to be a rather grimy gray; they didn't get washed often (and until '77 shared stations and yards with steam engines) and certainly weren't nice and shiny like the museum coach in the pic. I get an odd enjoyment out of doing the technical markings- these are as accurate as I can get them both stylistically and numerically. Note that the markings are for a Bnrz 725.2: the 451s didn't exist in the 90s, they were rebuilds ca 2000 from 725s. However, the real tragedy may be this- after spending two days on this one, with ambitious plans for Linke Rheinstrecke and Niddertalbahn to do the cab car and 110 in ozeanblau, and then maybe even back to the pre-1974 colors (I know there were still some cobalt blue 110s in service in the 90s....) I cannot get a custom coach to spawn in the route. Not one. Every load, nothing but mint as far as the eye can see. Or does someone have a trick to force spawns?
This is "Ozeanblau" for Silberlinge- they just painted the frame rails and markings, the bodies stayed unpainted. Only the formerly green or blue Reisezugwagen got the full blue/ivory treatment. On the Steuerwagen however the cab end got a nifty blue/ivory design. The 110s of course got the usual two-tone paint job- but at the moment the LD 110 model is broken and can't be painted. (I started one in pre-74 Kobaltblau but can't get on with it). To the best of my knowledge all the 103s stayed in red/beige TEE-IC livery until some of them got painted all red in the 90s or later.* Many of them went to retirement in their original paint. _____________ *Except for three that were detailed to the Lufthansa Airport Express and were repainted in LH's pale gray and yellow
Now uploaded to CC! (I will be adding to the collection with variants and then upload it as a pack to trainsimcommunity and railsim-de)
It isn't easy. LD's tools are, to put it mildly, crude. But you can with patience eventually drive a screw with a hammer, even if it takes four thousand little circles!
solicitr, wow, just wow. Having looked at your work in-game now, I’m blown away. They look extremely good and let me compliment you on the weathering. I’ve never before seen such weathering on CC. Your hard work certainly paid off. Only problems I found were that the technical marking are a bit blurry but that’s just standard for livery designer and expected. Obviously outside of your power. that scenario planner puts the cab car the wrong way around when the 110 is leading. I’ll have to see how I’ll work around that if I start designing some scenarios for your Silberlinge. Thank you so much for sharing your work. I’d put this in the recommendations thread but I’m afraid posting three times in a row will stretch everyones’ tolerance for my love of German vintage liveries
An alternative (not appropriate on Niddertalbahn): It was very common after the merger to replace the old DB-Kekse with the new one, which was easily done since it was just a decal
Well done and can't you just use the Bremen 110.3 CC ozeanblau to pull these trains? Oddly owning BRO and Linke Rheinstrecke will cause one of them to send their 110.3s to the other route. Speaking of the 110.3 were they also in Green Paint or not? An example is 141 228 being in the Green DB paint
No, never. Electric locos with a top speed of 120km/h or more (until 1959) / with a top speed of over 120km/h (as of 1959) were painted blue. Stahlblau (steel-blue) first, Kobaltblau (cobalt-blue) later - apparently following 1969 as a rule but the dates and actual paint use get very messy.
My understanding is that 1962 was the official changeover from Stahlblau and Flaschengrün to Kobaltblau and Chromoxidgrün. Naturally, actual implementation went on for a while. The system up to 1974 was Electric locos >= (later >) 120; 1st class express coaches: blue Electric locos < (later <=) 120; all other passenger coaches (save Silberlinge): green Diesel locos and DMUs, and shunters: purple-red Steam locos: black with red trim Special cases: Dining cars: red Postal cars: yellow Touropa cars: light blue Rheingold up to 1966: beige and blue TEE (and IC from 1971): beige and purple-red München S-Bahn (from 1969): light gray and aqua All other S-Bahnen (from 1971): light gray and orange Popfarben, experimental coach liveries (1969-73): light gray with brightly colored window strakes
Well said and it should include the beige and blue US Army M-Wagen used on the Berlin Duty Train paired to the DB BR 110 which will take it to Helmstedt from Frankfurt Am Main. Postal Cars belong to the Bundespost. For Popfarben these also carried Olympic Rings 1972 Munich Games. Looking at this Deviant art paint scheme DB BR420 also appeared in White and Blue Stripes and White with Light Orange paint. That meant Light Gray Orange Frankfurt. https://www.deviantart.com/kobuchi524/art/DB-Baureihe-420-291466460
Good summary. If you’re interested, I found this to be an interesting discussion about the changeovers in blue and green (albeit in German).
Not trying to hijack the thread, but I did just publish my first scenario for these liveries on RSN: https://creatorsclub.dovetailgames.com/mods/100268 It’s a regional train in the early evening hours of 1997 from Finnentrop to Hagen. Besides LFR and the reskins here, I used the BRO 155 DR skin by Sparmi for a somewhat appropriate freight loco. It’s inspired by a picture of Finnentrop in 1997 I saw, but I couldn’t find a timetable, so the runs are based on the 2022 timetable. The one included IR (no reskins because I couldn’t find decent IR coaches without the logo pack) is based on 1997, though. Unfortunately, the scenario planner options for RSN are extremely limited, so I couldn’t place much static stock or recreate all of the Hagen Hbf traffic. Should I go on to do more scenarios, I’ll create my own thread so that I don’t hijack this one, but I thought it best to post here as long as it’s just the one. Comments/feedback are greatly appreciated. I tried my best with what I had to go on. Tagging OpenMinded in case you’re interested
This repaint is outstanding. Very well done, even more so when you consider the so called ´livery editor´ which could compete only with ´Paintbrush´ from Windows 3.11 However, on my PS5 only the cab car spawns, the rest of the train comes in mint?! I don´t think this is intentional, right?
Coach substitution is disabled for some reason. You’ll only ever see mint n-Wagen on LFR. That’s partly why I was so eager to get into scenario creation for these these lovely liveries.
Until DTG fixes this problem, custom livery coaches can only appear in Scenario Editor mode,- or with the use of a custom mod, and so far I can't get a response from a team of clever people who have worked out how to force alt-livery trains (for example, the one which puts proper blue coaches on LFR Interregios)
The first DB-operated S-Bahn* was built in preparation for the 1972 Munich Olympics. The rolling stock was the new BR 420 EMU, painted light gray with aqua window bands. Then the city of Stuttgart wanted in on the action and ordered 420s of its own for its S=Bahn, which opened two years later. However, given the traffic demands of the Olympics, the first Stuttgart 420s were seconded to Munich, so for a while both liveries could be seen there. (Orange was the S-Bahn color in various configurations right through the Ozeanblau and Produktfarben eras, outside Munich) *Berlin and Hamburg had had S-Bahnen since before the war, but Hamburg's was owned and operated by the city, and Berlin's was DR.
