Route Wcml: Birmingham - Liverpool

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  1. Trainiac

    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    Another route from Birmingham along the WCML. This route offers varied and historic scenery from the hills of the west midlands and Cheshire to the dense and historic urban suburbs of Mersey side.
    Stats:
    Route length - 88 Miles
    Stations - 20
    Major stations - Birmingham N Street, Wolverhampton, Stafford, Crewe, Liverpool L Street
    Base service layer - AWC Class 390, LNWR 350, and GBRF/ EWS 66
    Possible playable layers - NT Class 323 Liverpool - Edge Hill (to Manchester), EMR Class 158 Liverpool - Liverpool South Parkway (to Manchester via Warrington)
    Possible AI layers - NT Class 323 Crewe - Manchester, AWC Class 390 London - Crewe (to Wigan & beyond)
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    Points of interest: Running beside the canals of Birmingham, highspeed section between Wolverhampton & Crewe, Weaver Junction, Edge Hill (one of oldest stations in the world still in regular use) + Liverpool cutting.
     
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  2. sophieclarke1983

    sophieclarke1983 Well-Known Member

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    Fantastic sounds awesome
     
  3. Migsithepigsi

    Migsithepigsi Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good to me
     
  4. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Brilliant suggestion! I'd love this route! Bring on the "wee wee" desiros! XD
    Love the pendolino in Avanti livery aswell! :)
     
  5. charliejay801

    charliejay801 Active Member

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    this deserves to be in development by now , this is a really good suggestion
     
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  7. Migsithepigsi

    Migsithepigsi Well-Known Member

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    Pendos, desires, avanti, Freightliner, all amazing routes to me!
    It think if we get this we could also get the North and West London Line to connect the BML, GWML, WCML, SEHS and multiple other mainlines for some pretty intensely long freight routes, e.g. Newhaven - Acton
     
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  8. Migsithepigsi

    Migsithepigsi Well-Known Member

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    It is a very busy Mainline irl, and does create a lot of potential.
     
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  9. sophieclarke1983

    sophieclarke1983 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds awesome
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    Birmingham to Preston also looks nice
     
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  11. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea and this can also work as 1958
     
  12. TrackingTrains

    TrackingTrains Well-Known Member

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    If we get a TPE 802 at any stage, it would be nice to see an AI layer of that at Liverpool.
    Similarly maybe the WMR 323 at BHM?
     
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    Also was just thinking - if we get XC at any stage we could have a voyager layer between the BHM -> Crewe section and certainly lots of XC AI at BHM.

    Also some Avanti voyagers on the same section of the route.
     
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  14. TrainGeek08

    TrainGeek08 Well-Known Member

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    Good idea, I would like to see a modern WCML within TSW since we have the ECML already represented :)

    This sounds like an ideal route plus it traverses the Spirit of Steam route between Crewe and Liverpool Lime Street in game already :cool:
     
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  15. Bryer

    Bryer Well-Known Member

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    Would be better if it ran from Rugby, as you'd get 2 routes technically for your money, as you'd get the Trent Valley line through Nuneaton to Stafford, as well as the Birmingham bit.
     
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  16. Trainiac

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    I think Rugby would an odd start and end point though, yeah you’d get the Trent valley route but I think that section would do nothing but make this route even more unlikely unfortunately.
     
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  17. Bryer

    Bryer Well-Known Member

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    Hardly any freight runs through Birmingham due to the constraints. Most intermodal, aggregate and car train freight goes via the Trent Valley line to Stafford, so it's not an odd starting point to be honest.
     
  18. Wivenswold

    Wivenswold Well-Known Member

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    Would be excellent. A good, long run, brings a bit of life to Birmingham New Street too.
    And most eras give us interesting traction. Choose from Classes 81-87 & 90 Intercity Locos, EMUS 304, 309, 310, 312, 321, 323, 325, 350, 370, 390, 730, 805 and those awful Voyager things too.
     
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