I I said a good simulator. First off most of those are not first person simulators like TSW is. And the Runner games are so off of physics I don't consider that accurate simulator. Assetto, and project cars are no more a simulation than Forza Motorports. Those are racing games not a simulator. A driving simulator means 1:1 scenery running a cab or just driving to the grocery store. And Asobo said in the development stream that they could not get FS to run any higher than 15FPS. Which means it does not work to me since I work building games for a living. So thank you for proving my point that there are no simulators of the same quality of TSW on the older console. I really don't understand why everyone is expecting and 8 year old console to perform like a high end PC and then blame DTG when it doesn't.