Weardale And Teesdale Route Sale

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  1. inversnecky

    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    It’s now on sale for only £7.49 - 70% off the normal price of £24.99.

    Don’t delay, buy it today - it’s a fantastic little route with amazing scenery!
     
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  2. JJTimothy

    JJTimothy Well-Known Member

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    Seconded. I live in the area and it has a simple beauty that the DLC captures very well. The first route I drove in TS and still my favourite. (Be good to merge it with Stainmore though and I wonder if it would be difficult to swap the signals out...)
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    I prefer the Workshop Electric version :)
    Screenshot_Weardale Electric_54.53543--1.55368_15-18-59.jpg
     
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  4. inversnecky

    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    Not at all, thanks for posting. I’ve subscribed to a number of these already, and look like I’ll add many on the list.
     
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    junior hornet Well-Known Member

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    The safe way to drive to Barnard Castle. :)
     
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  8. theorganist

    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    It is a fantastic route, I never tire of it. I am compiling a set of scenarios for it which I intend to upload to UKTS.

    The Wearhead line in particular has some lovely scenery.

    There is so much to with plenty of industry and yards. I recommend the J21, K1 and Q6 from Victory Works, the A5 and G5 from Caledonian works (plus more to come) and the J50 from Meshtools to run on it and the Matrix Trains NER/GER carriages, all suitable for recreating the 50's on that network.
     
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    PhÜnKî_Rø0sTā Active Member

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    I bought the scenario pack. You need the BR blue pack, class 105 and the Peppercorn K1 steam loco for the scenarios to work.
     
  10. TimeSlicedDanny

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    I'm not such a fan of the route. Much is good, especially the rural parts, but I find a lot of the industrial modelling samey and unconvincing. Likewise the endless terraced cottages. Yes, there are a lot of them in real life, but there's also plenty of between the wars and post war semis and detached houses that are largely missing, as are the grand Victorian dwellings in parts of the towns and cities.
     
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    I've bought this and am enjoying playing the scenarios, I haven't played TS for a while but getting back into it. It must be set at least in the 70's as there is a bay platform at Darlo that I'm not sure I remember from when I was little. I did manage to overshoot a platform at a little station near Witton-le-Wear and thus commit a SPAD. Oops!
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    The route has Green Diesels and Maroon coaches so is more likely set in the mid 1960s
     
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    Thanks. I've seen a few photos on Facebook of the Class 101 around my area of Teesside and slightly further afield so it is good to drive them.
     
  14. JJTimothy

    JJTimothy Well-Known Member

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    As the name indicates it's the '60s although there is some licence. With the possible exception of the occasional football special Spenny lost its passenger services before the War as did the line across Cockfield Fell IIRC and the line through Shildon tunnel was singled in the very early '60s. In truth it would ably represent any period from Nationalization to the start of the Corporate blue era when lines started closing.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    And it is quite good running Steam and Diesel trains over the route
     
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    JJTimothy Well-Known Member

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    For anyone who's interested this has been updated. More to add I dare bet.
     
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    I feel like it is set in the early 60s, circa 1960-1961.Barnard Castle closed entirely in 1964, Wearhead closed entirely in 1961.

    While the route comes with BR green era engines, a steam G5/O class would certainly not feel out of place between Middleton and Darlington.


    As for the route itself - I strongly recommend it. (but I may be biased, as UK steam-to-diesel transition era is one of my personal favs)
     
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    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    I think it is a mixture of eras. Passenger trains didn't run to Wearhead after 1952 yet the stations on the line are all modelled. Some of the industry featured on the route had gone by the 1960's.

    Really the diesels which the DLC has included do not really match the route in my opinion. That is why I was pleased to see much DLC steam released as well as the NER carriages and various wagon packs available.
     
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    Agreed, as a proud owner of the J21 and the NER O/LNER G5 class.


    Which doesn't mean I don't enjoy the green DMUs either ;P
     
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    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    Well no absolutely, DMU's were introduced in the area in 1957 I think when much of the network would have looked very similar. You could run a Turbostar up the line if you wanted (personally I wouldn't) anyway.

    The A5 by Caledonian works is also very suitable as Darlington had an allocation at one point, the DT 2MT and the Ivatt 4MT in the Stainmore route pack are also very suitable. The J94 by Meshtools is a good choice for shunting around Darlington. I think a couple of J50's ended up in the area too. For freight the Raven Q6 were very common in the area and the ROD 2-8-0 would have been seen too.

    On the Caledonian Works roadmap there is a J72 and I think an A8 tank which will be added the roster when (if) they are released.
     
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    It's funny how the mind plays tricks. I went by Toronto for some reason or other in the mid '80s and was sure I remembered seeing hopper wagons parked on Newton Cap viaduct. A few years ago though I read that the track was lifted in the '60s...

    There's a video on YouTube with Matt P. and Derek Siddle of Dovetail talking about developing the route. It started as a bit of a labour of love for Derek (who's from Whitton Park served by the station called Etherley in the route) to make Bishop Auckland station and then it sort of "just growed". He's frank about it being a slightly idealised version of the railways he remembers.
     
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    I don't particularly like the route modelling. It's way too clean and ordered in the industrial parts, many of which just don't look convincing to me. There's not enough period clutter and debris and the buildings look like generic late Victorian shed plonked down next to generic late Victorian shed etc.
     
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    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    I remember he built a lot of custom assets for the route, I followed his blog at the time. If he had made custom assets for everything you might still be waiting for its release now!
     
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    I think its only fair to mention that the assets available for the route itself are good and given many of the stations don't exist anymore, it is not reasonable to expect 100% accuracy down to a single specific year.

    I've made a "real photo to screenshot" comparison of the Brommielaw station and I think the accuracy was decent. See bottom of this post: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/train-simulator-2021-screenshots.28416/page-6#post-337652
     
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    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    Yes I agree, it can often be difficult finding resource material. Some of the industry on the route disappeared over sixty years ago.

    Personally I find the route to be very atmospheric, trundling through Bishop Auckland station with a heavy coal train with a Q6 then climbing up though the tunnel and into Shildon yard with the wagons clanking behind you as you clatter over pointwork over the sound of the motion of the engine is one of the most immersive I have experienced.

    I think some more variety of housing wouldn't have gone amiss but that is something you could say about many routes, but that is a fairly minor complaint.
     
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    After I'd been playing TS for a while the Friends of Darlington Railway Centre and Museum had one of the members giving a talk much of which involved him showing old photo's and asking if anyone could identify the location. It covered most of the north of England and certainly wasn't aimed at me- most of the pictures dated from before I was born and certainly before I moved to Durham in '81. When local pictures came up though I suddenly became quite good at placing them because I'd been spending so much time in the W&T.

    The house I lived in in Durham City itself, or indeed the row of four storey terraced townhouses it is part of which is easily visible and identifiable from the railway, is not at distinguishable in the route becoming just another of the generic terraces mentioned above but that's excusable. Actually surprising is the lack of the original station building at Barney (which still exists after all), Spennymoor's distinctive Town Hall which is barely a stone's throw from the station site or the railway inns which are right next to it.
     
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    I suppose if you are local then you will notice missing buildings, something like a townhall is a shame as they are usually quite distinctive and unique.
     
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    Indeed. The North Eastern Hotel did stand out in fact it still does though it's in a bit of a state now. It's not that big but quite a fine building and was right opposite the station.
     
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    You might find a similar building from another route you can use?
     
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    Any ideas?
    https://pubwiki.co.uk/Durham/Spennymoor/NorthEasternHotel.shtml
     
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    Yes, I get that, but I would have preferred a smaller network with better non railway scenery. I think the former Royal Ordnance estate at Newton Aycliffe is particularly tragic. It's right by the line, larger than most railway termini, didn't exist until 1940, yet it's largely represented by Edwardian or earlier factory units. I know I lot has happened to it since, but there are still quite a lot of the original buildings standing. It would have been nice if one or two of the most common types had been modelled. They would also have been useful elsewhere.
     
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    It is one of the problems with any route that people know from travelling over it or living near to it.
    Errors that stand out to these people really spoil the route for them.

    For me it is the Woodhead BR Blue which has loads of errors from incorrect track work at Piccadilly, Signalling errors all over the route, Track missing is places where there should be a loop and it is not there, Deepcar comes to mind.
    The route was not checked against information that is available and so what could have been a good route is not.

    Move away from where you know and the errors don't stand out
    For a route thru an area I don't know I'm mainly looking at the Signalling and does it make sense.
    If the wrong sort of building is used then I would not know but put a LNWR box on a Midland or GWR Route then yes that stands out and spoils what could have been better.

    Peter
     
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