Steam Weird Artifacting/pop-in Issues

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  1. rmHawk765

    rmHawk765 New Member

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    This is not a VRAM issue, I have confirmed it not to be.

    I recently bought TSW5, coming from TSW2. Something I immediately noticed is the very weird artifcating and sometimes pop-in, which were both kept to a minimum in TSW2. The overhead wires appear to 'shimmer' not too far away and it is very distracting. Certain objects also tend to pop-in just as I am approaching them. The shadows also appear to only be generated when I am very close to them, which is also quite noticeable. I have tried several engine.ini configurations to no avail. Attached is an image of what the overhead wires look like in the distance for reference. Train_Sim_World_5_2025.02.21-14.36.png

    Now, this could be absolutely normal, but I don't see it on any videos of TSW5 I've watched and it is very distracting while moving fast.
     
  2. SGTDRE

    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    These are the two most popular mods, for Lod and engine.ini settings
    https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c19-patches/i4090-tsw5-train-lighting-lod-fixes-v402

    I use this one, I have been going back to the TSW3 and TSW4 days and it has been improved.
    https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c105-ini-tweaks/i3889-tsw-5-lighting-visual-quality-enhancement-hot-fix

    Sadly that it takes mods to make TSW better,
    But also thanks to the modding community, it is the mods that are making the game better...
     
  3. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Even if a game looked as beautiful as it is and runs well, modders will still find ways to make it better. So it doesn't only apply to tsw
     
  4. SGTDRE

    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    I do understand that but in TSW it is the modders that make the game better and fix what has not been, not to mention the ini modification by Jetwash that makes a world of difference and so many more like Sound, and the WCML Mod, I can go down a list of things the modding community made look better and Fix, for how many years was it that RE9 service could not be run because the Pantos where not there, it took the modding community to fix, until DTG finally corrected it almost a month or so before TSW5 was released.

    Then there are things the modding community can't fix simply because of the way the DLC/trains were created.
     
  5. DTG-Chris

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    rmHawk765The shimmer you are describing is called "aliasing".

    Due to the fine detail of catenary, it often ends up with the game trying to display detail that is smaller than the size of one pixel. Without Anti-Aliasing, this will produce the "stair-step" jagged edge effect because there are not enough pixels on your screen to accurately render a straight line. However, the catenary will also be the clearest without anti-aliasing.

    When you apply Anti-Aliasing, it will attempt to smooth out jagged edges to create the illusion of a smooth line. However, this will often result in degradation to clarity and detail as pixels are blended together, producing a softer image. Temporal Anti-Aliasing (TAA) can also cause flickering in sub-pixel detail, as it works best while in motion because it will use data from a previous frame to enhance the next. If the image is still, it doesn't have enough information to provide a stable image.

    Increasing resolution will always provide a better image than using Anti-Aliasing, but it comes at a much higher performance cost. You can also try using the game's built-in "Screen Percentage" feature to increase the internal rendering resolution, but this will also come with a significant performance cost. The effectiveness of Anti-Aliasing will also increase with resolution.
     
  6. rmHawk765

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    I am aware of what aliasing is but given this happens with both FXAA and TAA (which I find TSW5 has a poor implementation of and makes everything far too blurry) I did not think it would be causing this. I have tried increasing my screen percentage to 150% and even 200% but there isn't a big change, in fact that screenshot was taken with it set to 150%. Either way, thanks for the response!
     
  7. TrackingTrains

    TrackingTrains Well-Known Member

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    Relieved to see it isn't just me finding this annoying.

    At DON for example, where there is loads of OHLE, it flickers so much I have to look away from the screen at times. AFAIK, pop in is an lod thing and unfortunately for myself on console, I can't use a mod to sort it.

    DTG-Chris - hypothetically should a higher resolution monitor (say 4k over HD) resolve/limit the aliasing flickering on console please? I have no clue how this stuff works. Thanks
     
  8. DTG-Chris

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    Yes, increasing the resolution will always be the best way to improve picture clarity and detail. While antialiasing blurs edges to make them look smoother, increasing the resolution means those edges are made with more pixels to start with. However, driving a 4K monitor would require a beast of a PC and a lot of money!
    [​IMG]
     
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    TrackingTrains Well-Known Member

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    Ah ok, thanks for explaining. I'm on console, tbh I don't even know if a PS5 can run a 4k monitor, I just assumed it would
     
  10. DTG-Chris

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    Yes, a PS5 can output to a 4K TV. A good quality screen and make a huge difference to image quality (e.g. 4K OLED TV).
     
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    TrackingTrains Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Chris. Would it be advisable to wait until the texturing issues etc. have been fixed? If powering a 4K TV is more intensive than HD, I don’t want to overload the game for now if this may result in worse performance if you know what I mean
     
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    If you have Display Mode set to 4K in under Settings > General, it will always be the same resolution internally, regardless of your output resolution. So if you are already using the 4K settings, using a 4K TV will make no difference to performance.
     
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