West Coast Main Line

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  1. samuelbrookes1

    samuelbrookes1 Active Member

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    My proposal if for the West Coast Mainline between London Euston and Milton Keynes Central. The route is 50 miles long which I think is a reasonable distance considering that about 10 miles will have already been build for the Bakerloo line. The route would look like the below image.
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    The route features stations of:
    London Euston, South Hampstead, Kilburn High Road, Queen's Park, Kensal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden, Stonebridge Park, Wembley Central, North Wembley, South Kenton, Kenton, Harrow & Wealdstone, Headstone Lane, Hatch End, Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High Street, Watford Junction, Kings Langley, Apsley, Hemel Hampstead, Berkhamstead, Tring, Cheddington, Leighton Buzzard, Bletchley and Milton Keynes Central.

    I think that this is a good route because it provides a variety of services.
    There are stopping services with London Overground. There are semi-fast services with London Northwestern Railway and Southern. And there are express services with Avanti West Coast. It could even provide some Caledonian Sleeper services.

    The rolling stock for the route could be:
    Class 378
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    Class 710
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    Class 377
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    Class 350
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    Class 390
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    Class 92
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  2. Michael Newbury

    Michael Newbury Well-Known Member

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    A great idea for TSW2
     
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  3. fanta1682002

    fanta1682002 Well-Known Member

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    very good route
     
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  4. georgedayy7

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    I agree with this also maybe for some freight services , either a class 86 or 90
     
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  5. Tay95

    Tay95 Well-Known Member

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    :)Nice suggestion
     
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  6. Mat_Jam_Ca

    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    I’d buy the DLC. Definitely.
     
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  7. TrainSim_Fan

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    Looks nice. Couple of things though :
    1. You wont get all that rolling stock I suggest the 390 (pendilono), 350, 377 and 378.
    2. The route is exactly long for a 390. Could you extend the route a little. Possibly extend the route as far as Rugby???
     
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  8. UnlimitedMagic

    UnlimitedMagic Well-Known Member

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    Really nice suggestion
    1. For the class 377 southern services you would need an extension to East Croydon.
    2. Avanti West Coast is new so I don’t think a licence will be possible at the moment
     
  9. Mat_Jam_Ca

    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    There’s no reason why being new should hold back a license. You could argue it helps to raise awareness of the brand/company.
     
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  10. TrainSim_Fan

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    There not going to make an extension to Croydon.............and YOU know it.
     
  11. samuelbrookes1

    samuelbrookes1 Active Member

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    I think that the 710 is more likely than the 378 because the 710s have mostly replaced them on this route.
     
  12. TrainSim_Fan

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    Yeah, but....................the 378's look so much nicer and they have a better livery................so.
     
  13. samuelbrookes1

    samuelbrookes1 Active Member

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    I disagree with both of those points.
     
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  14. TrainSim_Fan

    TrainSim_Fan Well-Known Member

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    It's called an opinion.
     
  15. mintycal

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    It would be amazing to get london euston to preston to Edinburgh and glassgow
     
  16. TrainSim_Fan

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    mintycal, it's to long. 2nd why are you putting this on multiple posts??? Its unnecessary.
     
  17. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    For Dovetail Games if they want this route for Train Sim World 2 the class 377 can be layered in from East Coast way just needs a pantograph on the 3rd car which is the PTSO. That way you can use the 377 on both ECW and WCML
     
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    For me, I would actually prefer the service further north. Especially if you're wanting Pendolinos. If Preston to Carlisle was done, you could have Northern, TPX and Avanti, as well as freight.

    If it was set in the 80s, you could have the swap overs of diesel to electric locomotives at Preston. Especially if they are going south via Bolton or towards Blackpool North.

    In My Opinion there is too much around London at the moment, so other parts would benefit having some exposure.
     
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  19. trainsimplayer

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    Isn't Avanti First Group? The people who like to do licensing quite a bit.
     
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  20. driverwoods#1787

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    It's first group with the Italian FS Trenitalia Division. Direct link to Avanti About https://www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk/about-us/a-pioneering-partnership. That means DTG will need to ask FS Italian Railways for the licensing on this route or do it directly since the first group also owns GWR. By the way TS21 has Avanti WCML trains in this route
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    There's an easy way of adding class 377 to WCML is layering the ECW Southern Class 377 to WCML with the 3rd car a PTSO getting a Pantograph.
     
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    I like the idea, it would be perfect from London Euston to Milton Keynes Central, but it would be nice if it went a lot further. Overall, excellent suggestion.
     
  23. NoddyMac

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    I like this idea!
     
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    Great idea! Would be awesome if UK electric loco's got some sort of representation, I would be happy with a 90/92 or what would be great is an 86 for freight duties.
     
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    So would I. I love the Class 90, especially the 92. But mostly the Class 90
     
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  26. trainsimplayer

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    • Part of the route already built
    • Good relations (or so it seems) with first group (GWR & Avanti)
    • DTG have good relations with TfL too
    • Idk about London Midland, but it has appeared in TS twice in the last few years (that I know of)
    • Offer of potential Caledonian Sleeper too
    • Pendolino
    • Desiro
    • Ability to reuse the 377 and use the 377 as a base for the 378
    • Busy Route with variety
    • The potential to have Bakerloo trains running alongside (just for show) at the side
    • The potential for WCML trains to pass by on Bakerloo Line as well
    • Interesting route
    • Reusable assets from Bakerloo Line (for the Queen's Park & North section)
    • Probably would sell quite well
    • I would buy it
    Do I like this? Yes
    Would I buy this? Yes.
     
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  27. Mr heff

    Mr heff Well-Known Member

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    Yes! The 390!!!!
     
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  28. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You mean East Coastway for Class 377 complete with a tutorial on how to switch between 25kv 50hz & 750v DC Third rail Top Contact for WCML. Avanti First Group with FS Italian Railways. DTG licensing with FS might be WCML and Milano Chiasso Railway to which Rivet Games can do Gotthard Bahn Bellinzona Lugano Chiasso.
     
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  29. Doomotron

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    DTG already have a license for Avanti West Coast, so getting one for TSW2 won't be difficult.
     
  30. formulabee#1362

    formulabee#1362 Well-Known Member

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    I would buy this
    Also with the recent route length increases why not b go further than Milton Keynes?
     
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  31. trainsimplayer

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    I know the 377 is East Coastway...
    Please no more Rivet...
     
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  32. formulabee#1362

    formulabee#1362 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, enough is enough. Their last routes in tsw were poorly executed
     
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  33. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    Yeah they say there weren't as much trees and poor mountains on Arosa as there should be because of "performance" when Clinchfield and Cane Creek both exist...
     
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  34. formulabee#1362

    formulabee#1362 Well-Known Member

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    I’m surprised dovetail games have even let them produce content
     
  35. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Which 3rd party developer should do this route then should it be Just Trains or Creative Rail? Besides Dovetail Games for WCML South Milton Keynes Central to Euston for Train Sim World
     
  36. OldVern

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    They need to train Keith Ross up on TSW editing and get him to replicate his stunning work on WCML North or WCML over Shap.
     
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