West Cornwall Local - 4th November - Plus Improvements

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  1. LIRRGuy

    LIRRGuy Well-Known Member

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    WAS originally gonna pass on this route. But now seeing these improvements I look forward to playing this route now when I buy it
     
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  2. Mr JMB

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    I wasn't aware that NTP stock had livery designer functionality yet? Everyone seems very keen to repaint them all :)
     
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  3. solicitr

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    Were the few remaining 101s still painted in blue-grey in the early 90s?
     
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  4. Lunar_Twisted

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    The destination blind on the 101s are blank.
     
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  5. Skyz2020

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    08,40 does, I think the carriages don't unless this is part of the route / update
     
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  6. CK95

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    The heavy freight stuff does so the 08 & 40 should be paintable, the coaches and 47 won’t be getting any VT liveries any time soon though.
     
  7. CK95

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    Yeah they’re from NTP as a substitution so the boards won’t include the stations on this route.
     
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  8. Skyz2020

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    Did the 37 run in virgin? 37 is paintable
     
  9. trainsimplayer

    trainsimplayer Well-Known Member

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    I can confirm, the 37 does layer on ECW, Cathcart, etc. (I got it in that Xbox window, before anyone asks)
     
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  10. solicitr

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    The 101 has the old-style manual blind; since it's just a sub on this route the destination options would only be for the Leeds-Manchester run.

    Although I'm sure modders will correct that in a matter of days.....
     
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  11. KMAN

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    It gets complicated it should be a default for all new stuff. But NTP/Heavy Haul are not new.
    On PC people can Mod textures so maybe?
     
  12. CK95

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    No, but it 37’s did rescue failed Virgin 47 hauled consists from time to time, in various liveries.
     
  13. saltychipz#3569

    saltychipz#3569 Well-Known Member

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    See what I mean
     
  14. dave from Cornwall

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    The 08 at Long Rock is painted with the flag of St Piran and is called St Piran
     

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  15. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    So will the issue that hasn't allowed us to use any br class 101 with custom liveries for senario planner get fixed with this upgrade?
     
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  16. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
  17. Dirk223

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    Here the Class 101 has a little different livery in 1990 :)
     
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  18. JealousSheep768

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    Do you have to own both or can you just own ntp
     
  19. JealousSheep768

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    Also why is the 40 operating services, this is very unrealistic as they were all out of service
     
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  20. james64

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    Still very cautious about this route, the fact they've said there will only be "tweaks" to the audio for the 150 doesn't inspire much hope for me. I'm very happy to be proven wrong though.

    The NTP layers are great news, I just hope the 47 + Mk2 coaches get livery designer compatibility soon so I can put the intercity swallow livery on them.
     
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  21. marcsharp2

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    A lot were in various liveries depending on where they were based but the blue grey livery was still around on 101s and other first generation DMUs
     
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  22. marcsharp2

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    37s were running around in Regional Railways colours as well as Intercity Mainline livery at this stage
     
  23. ZR Leigh

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    Sounds like it’ll be worth the wait!
     
  24. atpyatt

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    Great news, I was always hoping for the diesel loco era.
     
  25. Trainiac

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    Whilst I'm glad they took the time to improve the route I'm still bummed that 150 will still sound the way it does currently
     
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  26. Mat_Jam_Ca

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    Some very nice and welcome updates to the route before full release. To risk sounding like a bore though, I’ll still reserve full judgement until I hear the tweaked sounds. The sounds are a deal breaker for me, though I do applaud Rivet and DTG working together to get this route up to this standard. Definitely well deserved praise.
     
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  27. spicemaster

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    The main thing that everyone wants to know....... Are the 150 sounds fixed? probably not, as achievements are far more important than sounds ¬_¬
     
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  28. TinTin_57

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    Yet achievements aren’t in this route for PlayStation so…….
     
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  29. junior hornet

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    I’ve got NTP but not the Heavy freight pack. Will I still get any layers e.g. Class 101?
     
  30. yambam#1598

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    You'll get 47 and 101
    HFP gives the 08 and 40
     
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  31. TrainSim-Matt

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    You need both the Heavy Freight Pack and the Northern Transpennine products - the reason is that the passenger trains that come from the NTP route can't get turned around without the 08 that comes in the Heavy Freight Pack, this adds the station pilot at Penzance that's used for loco release purposes to turn trains around for departure.

    If all you have is the NTP route, then you will get to use the 101 as a sub in on the 150's, but you won't get the 47 passenger services (for the above reason).

    Class 40 subs in, by default all the passenger trains are Class 47's with a small percentage of substitution, but it does mean you can use other locos if you wish.

    Matt.
     
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  32. Crosstie

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    SOLD!!!
     
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  33. mattwild55

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    Absolutely delighted with this - a diverse timetable is so important to maintain interest in a route given that the timetable mode is TSW's 'killer app' (compared to classic TS) IMO.

    Personally I'm absolutely fine with the slight smudging of the depicted time period in order to have a lot more visual and gameplay interest. Don't let that stop you from doing a Valenta HST DLC though ;)

    I was a bit on the fence about getting this before but it's now a day 1 purchase for me - many thanks to all involved.
     
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  34. SHINO BAZ

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    So does the br 08 shunter do this pilot job as a ai train or does the player operate the br 08 and do this pilot job themselves?
     
  35. kelemenlk

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    What about London commuter it keeps crashing on PlayStation 5 when is there going to be an update for the route
     
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  36. dhekelian

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    Really pleased with the updates for this route, as I got the packs needed the 37 is a great addition as well as the iconic 101!

    Now all you have to do DTG is add RD support to the 166 and HST and I'll happily buy this route and the 313, maybe even Cathcart.
     
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  37. antony.henley

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    Sounds 'bout right :p

    Hentis
     
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  38. Wivenswold

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    Gotta say, having 101s subbing 150s on a few services is great. I love periods of transition and this captures that strange time on the Western when 101s replaced Class 142 Pacers and were then replaced by 150s a couple of years later.
     
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  39. appledates#4945

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    Wow, awesome job getting all of these changes in such short amount of time. Was really happy to see services using NTP as they haven’t had a lot of usage on other routes and it’s a pretty big amount of them. I will be picking this up, I’m just more excited to get it now. Great job Rivet and DTG and I hope that it will help build better communication and relationships between the two for the future!
     
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  40. chieflongshin

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    Well i guess the game just changed now. I feel DTG have taken Rivet by the hand and said "'look guys, this is how you make a route look busy, put layers on and earn money"

    Thank you for doing so, I shall likely be stepping up to the plate now.
     
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  41. gottabedarnell

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    Whats going on with scenario 2.0 why it's not moving on the roadmap?????
     
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  42. alexjjones6024

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    I am not here to criticise because this has now really improved with additional AI but... I have the current version and have noticed there are no ECS moves for 150's. Are there going to be AI services for the 47/101/150 to the nearest depot as I cannot imagine they would leave locos at Penzance all night, right? Isn't that something that could be implemented seen as it would be a decent idea to be able to park up at night, or bring into service in the morning? TrainSim-Matt
     
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  43. fezza

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    What year is this meant to be set? 150s didn't go into regional railways livery until 1992 and by then all regular 47 Intercity services were operating coaches in intercity livery, not rail blue. Furthermore I'm sure all the coaches were Mk2ds and Mk2fs by then, very different to those those modelled on NTP.
     
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  44. TrainSim-Matt

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    As with most service modes, you can do the pilot duties if you wish, or you can drive the passenger loco. Or you can just sit and watch. Or, well, whatever you like really. :) Whatever you're not driving, the AI will.

    Matt.
     
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  45. Train Sim 9723

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    the route is set in the 90s, when it comes to layers leniency is used more such as how the DB BR ICE 403 subs in for a ICE T. There are limits to how far dovetail will go such as how there are no Waterloo running trains (I believe they are) on London to Brighton at Clapham junction
     
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  46. alexjjones6024

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    Just wanted to show you this, there were also class 150's in 1989 in regional railways livery and a 47 in blue up to 1991 with a mk1 at the front and mk2's behind. Screenshot_20211102_011650.jpg Screenshot_20211102_011436.jpg
     
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  47. DominusEdwardius

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    Strongly suspect those dates are incorrect. 47490 had a high intensity headlight by 1987
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/hoover29/32342616910/
    and by 1988 was wearing intercity livery
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpmarks/4317639030/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardboyd484/10803360745/
    and then by 1991 it was in parcels livery
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardboyd484/8576166638/

    As such the second photo was more than likely taken before or during 1987. At a guess it seems to be post Taunton signal box closing so post Feb 1987, but before July 1987
     
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  48. alexjjones6024

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    Nice one. You learn alot in a day haha! Cheers for posting, that was a lot of liveries in a short time :)
     
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  49. chacal#2181

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    Great news ! More action for our diesels ! More life on the routes is really à nice feature, thanks.
     
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  50. antony.henley

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    Now all we need is a new and br large logo 50


    Hentis
     
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